Same levels of application and desire in the middle eights will see us in deep doodoo

What's lucky is that you can count to ten on your fingers and still have some left over.

I think peacocks comments before and during the game summed up Leeds. People not willing to bend their back. And plenty not good enough for Leeds

Still - 11 of the 17 who played in the Grand Final 2017 played on Sunday

In bold

Walker; Briscoe, Watkins, Sutcliffe, Hall; Moon, McGuire; Singleton, Parcell, Garbutt, Jones-Buchanan, Ward, Cuthbertson.
Burrow, Ablett, Ferres, Mullally
If they are not will to bend their back, which ones are we looking at




If

*are

You cannot say the the top championship teams are worse than Widnes. Torronto Toulouse London Fax are likely to compete well and surprise most teams this year in the 8s. The championship was like like 2 divisions this year the top 6 were class above the rest. Hope your team have this attitude Saturday as they will be tought a lesson not to underestimate the Championship. I for one think your in trouble after watching the game at the weekend

I'm afraid we will. No fight in this bunch of players.
Defeats by HKR and Salford on the cards I'm sorry to say.

I think we're lucky we've got the tougher opponents at home for we would be in trouble

They're all worse than Widnes. It's just a fact.

I agree totally.
Without being disrespectful to any club involved in the Middle 8's IMO our set of fixtures couldn't have worked out any better

My concerns are more to do with how players that will not or may not be with us next season will treat these games.
If any player is not 100% committed to the club irrespective of their circumstances for 2019 and beyond then they should not be picked as we certainly cannot afford the luxury of carrying any players with their flip flops already on!

Agreed. If Moon (or anyone else) won't tackle or contribute anything meaningful because they're going through the motions, they should be dropped. Far better a willing tyro than someone who couldn't care less. I honestly don't know how some of our players can pick up their wages with a straight face given some of the defensive efforts.

What I don't understand since the appointment of Sinfield/Lowes is why the defence hasn't got better. Ex players always state good defence is mostly down to attitude. Even though we're not particularly fluent in attack (and I don't think we have the players to be), we ought to be able to defend aggressively and make that our strength. You don't need to be 'confident' to defend well - just determined as a team.

3 full time teams in the championship. It's about fitness foremost.
Then secondly, referees, then skill.

Problem is, no championship club will consistently beat the other.

Expect these middle 8's to be as close as the Top 4 championship race this year.

Yeah. Referees are always the second reason a team loses.

Give yer head a shake.

I think all Jeff's saying is that poor quality refs add to the lower standard in the Championship. He's not blaming refs on the day for losing games.

Isn't that still blaming the refs?