must be related to brian, how can you keep backing him otherwise

Given the success McDermott has achieved in the past, his stock has, up to this, point been in credit. I think Printer has argued that consistently and the majority of fans would have agreed with him. He also makes a reasonable point about available options and some of the blame for where we now find ourselves must be shouldered by GH. However, I'm fairly certain that GH did not leave Mullally on the bench until the game was well and truly gone. I would also venture that GH didn't relocate McGuire in the defensive line in a game where our defence was always going to be under pressure. In fact, I am pretty sure that GH is not responsible for the defensive formation, the tackling technique and the general organisation of the team.

There have always been some question marks over BM's coaching and his teams have often been inconsistent. In fact, we have witnessed similar performances in the last, even when Sinfield and Peacock were still here.

What to do now and who to turn to? The options are few and far between. The cheque book needs to come out and soon. Forget buying players, get a decent coach.

peter smith sums it up

They (cas) have size in the pack, creativity in the halves – even with a hooker playing there – and explosive finishing power out wide. They are well-organised, confident and play a glorious brand of attacking rugby league

the opposite of leeds

printer isn't right at all. the bulls fund toovey didn't they?. there are plenty of quality coaches available in Australia.

Still some are missing the point . Mac is outcoached every week , we have no structure in attack or defence and he does not improve players . Yes our recruitment is poor and our Academy system seems to have fallen apart but some of that can also be put on the coach .

BM hasn't always been "outcoached every week" - certainly not in finals. I'd say its more a case of overseeing an ever poorer squad highlighting his deficiencies, which were probably always there but didn't matter when we had the cattle.

Its hugely unfair on him to say that he wasn't a great coach for the club - our winning record not to mention plaudits from the likes of Sinfield suggest otherwise.

However, the way we are going BM is in all likelihood going to end up sacked, with his reputation at Leeds in tatters. That's an awful way for him to leave, but TBH if he carries on with another year like last year and ends up being forced out, then even the reputation hit will be partly his fault.

It is time for BM to go, but who comes in? Look at Hudds with Rick Stone!

I meant every week for a long time now . Maybe he had game plans before that came up trumps , but he is light years behind now .

Are you seriously suggesting Leeds could not attract a better name than Huddersfield ?

Australia is the place to look. Ivan Cleary would be a stand out candidate if he would come to this country. Even Justin Morgan who did a decent job over here with Hull KR and will have learned plenty since working alongside the likes of Craig Bellamy & Stephen Kearney. Or a certain David Furner might be open to a return, he's been part of the Cowboys set up for a while now. To suggest there are no possible options to McDermott is wrong, what it will take though is not taking the cheap and easy option.

Like i said on another thread make this job available there'll be plenty of interest & then it's up to GH to get it right.
Personally there's Dunneman Furner Cleary J.Morgan etc.

I didn't say that.

No unlike some I just respect and have some gratitude for people who have actually been a part of successes we've been able to enjoy.

In the circumstances dropping Briscoe didn't seem an overly bright idea?

A lot on here are suggesting Lilley should be a starter so him and Sutcliffe in the starting 17 should be OK.

In the forwards most would pick Keinhorst at least in the 17 so in reality Leeds were missing 4 players as were Cas.

The quality of the squad is in part due to the inability to bring quality youngsters through the system and for that McDermott has to take some responsibility.

I agree with Gotcha this club has lost its way - I have said before it needs fresh management at the top. Hetherington has done a great job but everyone has a shelf life and he has reached his "best before date"

What are you saying?