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| Quote: ThePrinter "They're only not the right ones in your opinion though. The issues with the defence will be covered in this part
I said right from week 1 the shortened disrupted pre-season was the key thing. People can and have mocked the Kiwis game comment but it's highlighted above how it altered and shortened our usual pre-season plans. To then lose time afterwards because of the floods made it even worse. People can say "well they eventually got sorted" with regards to pitches and gyms to work with but the problem was you never make up for that lost time (unless you try having a mini pre-season when the season starts ala his chasing wins comment) and pre-season is so crucial. How do people think we went from how we played in 2014 to how we played in 2015 without many squad changes? The work done in pre-season. Tony Smith admits the basis of the 2004 winning season was the work done in pre-season. Hull and Wire made some recruits yes but clearly they came back from being mid table contenders last year to top by having a great pre-season.'"
This is a desperate coach/club looking to deflect the blame away from himself/themselves.
There is even a new excuse - we tried to chase wins early!! That is simply idiotic.
It is all we and not I and that is an issue - take some responsibility for your shortcomings.
2016 was a complete and utter shambles and the Rhinos lack of agility in the face of adversity is duly noted.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "This is a desperate coach/club looking to deflect the blame away from himself/themselves.
There is even a new excuse - we tried to chase wins early!! That is simply idiotic.
It is all we and not I and that is an issue - take some responsibility for your shortcomings.
2016 was a complete and utter shambles and the Rhinos lack of agility in the face of adversity is duly noted.'"
What on earth are you blabbering on about. Duly noted? I'm quite sure no gives a damn about what you've ''duly noted''.
It's we and not I? that's because the club is a We. When they won the treble he didn't say 'I'VE won the treble''.
I think it's a fair article.
I think we need to move on. Last season has gone let's put it to the past, there's no point kicking and screaming because the club haven't crucified themselves with Mcdermott offering his resignation in blood. Things went wrong, mistakes were made but we'll be stronger for it, I am certain.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "What on earth are you blabbering on about. Duly noted? I'm quite sure no gives a damn about what you've ''duly noted''.
It's we and not I? that's because the club is a We. When they won the treble he didn't say 'I'VE won the treble''.
I think it's a fair article.
I think we need to move on. Last season has gone let's put it to the past, there's no point kicking and screaming because the club haven't crucified themselves with Mcdermott offering his resignation in blood. Things went wrong, mistakes were made but we'll be stronger for it, I am certain.'"
Very much this. It's just sport at the end of the day.
I also agree with what Mac said regarding chasing wins early, the bad start, compounded by injuries and playing injured players really damaged a team that was trying to find its identity again.
Roll on next season, if we can manage a good start, I'll be quietly confident.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "This is a desperate coach/club looking to deflect the blame away from himself/themselves.
There is even a new excuse - we tried to chase wins early!! That is simply idiotic.
It is all we and not I and that is an issue - take some responsibility for your shortcomings.
2016 was a complete and utter shambles and the Rhinos lack of agility in the face of adversity is duly noted.'"
Of course it's "we" and not "I". Whenever we've won things under McDermott he's always been about shifting the credit onto others (players, other coaching staff, management) so damn right he uses we when fail when he uses it when we've been successful. You stick together as a club and don't start pointing fingers at individuals.
That you want him to say "I" just shows up your agenda. Talk about excuses with regards to losing crucial time in pre-season, which is actually a fact not excuses....yet come out with your own excuses about why we were successful....."it was all Sinfield and Peacock, all the other teams were poor"....which aren't facts just lame opinions and excuses to try salvage something from previous claims writing off the coach and team who you thought would do naff all in 2015 (and on a few occasions previously).
The "chasing wins" comment is properly explained and you can understand what he means unless you're just reading those two words and taking it simplistically as we didn't want to win games.
Whilst we didn't deal well with adversity for quite a while, we did actually turn it around, all be it a few weeks too late to avoid Middle 8's. we finished the 23 Rounds with several wins under our belts, some against eventual silverware winners, climbed a few spots to get the better fixtures and we made simple work of the Midfle 8's. Might not sound like much but considering where we were at around the end of May/start of June strolling through the Middle 8's didn't look on the cards and we did actually work our way out of trouble in the end.
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| 1. Interesting comment about the players not putting in acceptable performances - not much about him and his impact on these unacceptable performances? So who is pointing the fingers then - not much we in that comment.
2. The last six fixtures of 2016 included 4 against Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR and Widnes and the middle 8's should have been more of a breeze than it was - the performances against London, Batley, Hull KR and a loss to the Giants were hardly convincing. Let's not see this as a Lazarus moment!!
3. Given the club was in complete crisis/chaos chasing wins in those circumstances seems foolhardy if greater pressure was put on players to deliver.
4. He talks about hiding behind excuses - quite the opposite to what the CEO said at the time "we are a strong group that don't hide behind excuses" yet another confused statement in this piece - its typical of his muddled thinking that can be seen during game time.
You have an agenda to dismiss Sinfield's impact on the success of the team in 2015, just like you have with Tony Smith's impact during his time at Leeds - you are entitled to that opinion. To suggest anyone who doesn't agree has an agenda seems hypocritical to me.
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| 1 - there was a load of "we" in that part of his piece....."I had defended the players until that point but those performances were unacceptable. WE had lost our way and WE were ALL guilty of relying on excuses too much. It led to MYSELF, ALL the coaching staff and the players questioning if WE were doing everything possible to perform." ......hardly shifting it away from himself to just players.
2 - yes and those teams were beating us earlier in the year. Not saying the performances were amazing but last time I checked you didn't get extra points for style and 2 points counts all the same. Wigan are an example of that this year.
3 - yes and he admits it's his major regret doing that. Does he have to word it a certain way calling himself a useless **** before some are satisfied?
4 - how is it muddled thinking of his behalf when you've taken one comment from him and one from someone else?
5 - not saying Sinfield didn't play his part of course he did. But this idea that's been built up that it was all on him and Peacock alone is ridiculous. As much as great players they were they weren't that great that they could be the sole difference between spending most of the last year in 1st and then spending most of this year without them last.
Simple fact is with the extended end to 2015 and then loss of pre-season time we must've been around a month behind where we were 12 months previously preparation-wise and of the other teams in the competition when the season kicked off. You can't have that and expect to keep up with the rest.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "What on earth are you blabbering on about. Duly noted? I'm quite sure no gives a damn about what you've ''duly noted''. '"
I think Sal takes this forum just a little bit too seriously, he was on about "dissenting voices" on another thread.
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Ha Ha he rises from the ashes - kettle and pot I would say.
As I said in my last post - pity you didn't take time to read it - Printer is entitled to his opinion I just happen not to agree with it.
You have said in previous posts what is the point is criticising the club - again you are entitled to that stance but surely if that is your position why do feel the need to defend the club so rigorously?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Ha Ha he rises from the ashes - kettle and pot I would say. '"
Christ, he's off again. What ashes would these be Sal?
Quote: Sal Paradise "
You have said in previous posts what is the point is criticising the club - again you are entitled to that stance but surely if that is your position why do feel the need to defend the club so rigorously?'"
And he's back to making things up again...
You know I'd ask you for a link to back up your latest made up ramblings but on past history that just won't happen so I won't bother.
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| Quote: ploinerrhino "Printer '"
I don't think he is dismissing Sinfield at all, just that it is quickly forgotten how
sinfield was well out of form first half of 2015 and it was Sutcliffe playing SO when we were playing champagne rugby at times and winning well until his injury.
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| Quote: Biff Tannen "I don't think he is dismissing Sinfield at all, just that it is quickly forgotten how
sinfield was well out of form first half of 2015 and it was Sutcliffe playing SO when we were playing champagne rugby at times and winning well until his injury.'"
As opposed to 2016 when we were playing flat Tizer rugby.
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| Quote: ploinerrhino "Printer
No chance in hell would Sutcliffe have kept Sinfield out of the starting HB position come the big games, in fact he didn't. Sutcliffe started the several games before the Hudds cup game with Sinfield missing out or on the bench.....come the cup Sinfield in, Sutcliffe out (not injured). The week before the next cup game at Hull Sinfield was on the bench but then again so was Cuthbertson and Peacock (I.e saved for he following week). And Sutcliffe started that game at FB so he went with Burrow and McGuire in the halves.....but again come cup game Sinfield was in.
So no it's not fact that had Sutcliffe not been injured we wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the treble.
Sinfield started only 10 of the 23 regular season games at HB and he didn't play that well in those opening 5 (Rounds 1-5 before injury) yet we still were first going into the Super 8's. So we actually can and did perform without him being too critical in terms of his on field performances.
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| Quote: Norman Stanley Fletcher "As opposed to 2016 when we were playing flat Tizer rugby.'"
I was thinking more like a maturing puddle of P!$$...but close enough
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| What's interesting at the moment we current have 24 players signed up full time for next season (minus Hardaker, Hallas and Lilley(unconfirmed any deals in place yet). That to me is short, considering we are probably without Galloway for about 1/3 of it.
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