And the point is?

It just further demonstrates how far Leeds have fallen.....the standards in SL are shiite and there has being a distinct levelling down even further this season....with Leeds plummeting off the end of a bloody steep cliff !!

Thank fukk standards are soo low are Leeds' points difference could have been on the record books for centuries if not eternity

Just glad to win a match, The team seemed committed on defence for a change and I appreciated the effort.

Plus, as extra entertainment, we had the most comedy ref I've seen in years.

..and yet McDermott claimed they have been working on and committed to defence these last ...how many weeks??? If it was 'for a change' does that mean McDermott, GH and the club have been taking the proverbial p**s all this time?

What do people want? They lose and leak tries and they hammered for it. They work hard, tighten up and nil a team and get hammered for it.

Forget what happened last season or even before that, its gone.

People wanted effort and commitment and the players gave it.

I know fans are fickle but hell, give a bit of credit.

Why do we need to give a bit of credit and be grateful for what should be a minimum expectation....and should have been many weeks ago?

The issue is that for many weeks the plea from the management from a persistently losing team was that the lads were putting it this same said 'effort and committment' ...so were they.....or was that a lie?

Do you honestly belief that as professional athletes and more generally as human beings they were consciously turning up to 'work' to give less than their best? Of course not, everyone tries their best.

Sometimes it's good enough, sometimes not. They are a team low on confidence. Last night they got a couple of breaks and coupled with a good defence got the win.

To suggest they aren't giving their best at any point is juvenile.

You stated 'what do people want' and this time they gave 'effort and commitment'...!!!

Obviously you're one of the ones easily pleased.

I'm sure your devoted, unwavering support is far from juvenile and will be recognised and rewarded.

I'm with Fallon on this.

I have been BMD's biggest critic (well, one of them - there's plenty of competition!) & continue to question whether he can coach a team that is not liberally spread with international leaders & game-changers.

But, come on, we have all been citing the lack of defensive desire &/or structure for some weeks. That was evident last night.

Sure, if we had been playing a better side (& in dry conditions), we probably wouldn't have won. But we weren't. I am, like Fallon & others, quite frankly happy that there appears to be much more commitment & a little more organisation. Hopefully, we can build on this.

One thing - McGuire appears to be so far out of form (I know he hasn't been the only one) since his return & this is exacerbating our problem of lack of ideas in the opposition 20.

If we are to believe that the standards of SL have fallen over the past few years then the reffing standards hit an all time low last night. Chris Kendall was a million miles away from a SL standard ref and was way out of his depth.

If we hadn't had won last night I doubt that I'd have found Mr Kendall's performance quite so comical.

Hes a young lad who is new to super league. I thought he did well at Wakey last week and saw little wrong in 1st half last night. Bit iffy in 2nd half but not as bad as some are making out.

I wish people would stop rabbiting on about the standards falling in super league. It's getting ridiculous, way over the top.

The top teams are not as good as they used to be, but the middle tier teams and ones near the bottom are leagues are ahead of where they used to be. Things have leveled out. From a[i results perspective[/i the league is exciting, there's not enough talent in this country to have 12 teams playing at a high standard, so you either get a couple of teams at top stop standard with the rest sh*te, or you get alot of teams at a similar level. There's not enough money for RL in this country to complete with the NRL so this is where we are, make the most of it or stop f*cking watching.l

We are all entitled to an opinion...once people stop "rabbiting on" we have no forum for exchange of [iopinions[/i

The fact there is not enough money in RL is not disputed: has anyone said otherwise?
Whatever the reasons I believe the standards are crap ....so little to get excited about this season IMO. ... and yes I reserve the right to stop f*cking watching as you so delightfully put it. In fact I often do take this option....and it is becoming more often.

I wish you'd take the option of not posting on this forum every 5 minutes.

It just the ''exchange of opinions'' is the same, repeatedly. Again and again. And again.

Why do you expect everyone to come round to your way of thinking - when you are so dogmatic about yours?