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Quote: Him "I think Burrow can still have an impact in the modern game but off the bench. I still think there's a place for him but it means you can't put another ball player at 13. We can't go with, for instance

I would agree with you regarding Burrow and don't see Sutty as 13 in the modern game. However not sure yet that he is the ideal 6 either, so he remains a work in progress with great potential and could well end up in the centres. I also want to see open attractive rugby which means the creative playmakers taking risks so we have to allow youngsters who are selected to fill these roles the time to learn their trade at the highest level.

I also like the look of Mullally who could prove to be an astute signing and potentially our other forward recruits look good and capable of an offload game but they have yet to hit form as a unit. To date ZH has not shown he is a ball player and has not yet shown he can fill our need for a linking FB although Golding looks to have these skills.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I would agree with you regarding Burrow and don't see Sutty as 13 in the modern game. However not sure yet that he is the ideal 6 either, so he remains a work in progress with great potential and could well end up in the centres. I also want to see open attractive rugby which means the creative playmakers taking risks so we have to allow youngsters who are selected to fill these roles the time to learn their trade at the highest level.

I also like the look of Mullally who could prove to be an astute signing and potentially our other forward recruits look good and capable of an offload game but they have yet to hit form as a unit. To date ZH has not shown he is a ball player and has not yet shown he can fill our need for a linking FB although Golding looks to have these skills.'"


Hardaker back to the wing for you then? icon_biggrin.gif .....in place of? d040.gif

I agree Sutcliffe (and prob Ward....and Ablett, who I still think is best at LF) no longer fulfill the 'modern' requirements of a LF. The 3rd prop role is much better fulfilled by Delaney, Singleton or Cuthbertson (or Mullaley?)

Can't see Sutcliffe making a good centre !!!

To fit in Golding, I think we both agree he could easily be moulded into a quality Half Back - something I see is beyond Zak. His (Zak's) defensive capabilities still make him a quality FB, but I can see he does seem beyond any improvement on linking in attack. Overall he still commands the FB spot for me though.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "I think it's easy to underestimate the amount of chopping and changing that has gone on already at Leeds in terms of defensive structure on the edges this season.

While the wingers and centres haven't changed, the shuffling around of half-backs, hookers and second rows both between games and notably last weekend within the game due to injury must be making it hard to build up a cohesive defensive unit.The run at the back end of last season had pretty much a settled structure on both sides of the field, which has gone out of the window with the loss of Ward, the recruitment of Ferres, the return of Sutcliffe and Lilley seeing more game time.'"


Agree with this, add into mix Galloway has played only 2 games in middle, garbutt a handful and no hooker ...

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Quote: Him "I think Burrow can still have an impact in the modern game but off the bench. I still think there's a place for him but it means you can't put another ball player at 13. We can't go with, for instance
I agree with all of this although personally I think it's the combined loss of Sinfield and Peacock that is the biggest factor, tbh Leuluai was only a bit player last season albeit an effective one.
Hardaker shows time after time that he is not a ball player, great defensively and tries a little too hard on attack. Some of his line busts are brilliant but far too many see him running into the big men and losing possession. Once he gets this under control then he will be one of, if not the best FB in the country

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Quote: nantwichexile "Hardaker back to the wing for you then?
No I am not saying Hardaker to the wing as Golding's introduction should be gradual and not rushed but he does show more creative class and as you say could play in the halves.. Who knows Zak may develop into a good attacking player.

Sutcliffe has the size for centre and has a running game. Again he should be allowed some time to see which position suits the team best,

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Does Sutcliffe have enough pace to be a decent centre?

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[quote="Odemwingie":34o3cs52] I hope his career is over.(regarding danny mcguires injury 2010 play offs)[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Ewwenorfolk":34o3cs52] I'm glad McGuire got injured, hope he's out for about 10 months[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Bulls4Champs2010":34o3cs52]Price, Civ, Beaver, Moz and Wiki. Peacock is not in the catagory of these special players.[/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="McLaren_Field":34o3cs52] To be fair, their teams are also inconsequential to their own fans judging by the amount of traffic that all the other boards get [/quote:34o3cs52] [quote="Warrington Wolf":34o3cs52]If you win the weekly rounds then without doubt you are the champions.[/quote:34o3cs52]:



I'm totally bemused that fans still say stuff like Hardaker just isn't a ball player.........

Our best creative player was "just a support player". With no real passing and/or kicking games. He also couldn't defend.

Hardaker IMO has about another 4 years to develop as passing game (by all accounts he has a pretty good kicking game) then he will have about 6 seasons as a stand off or ball playing fullback.

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are people really arguing that Burrow hasnt got a place a 'anymore' two games in to the season after he was an absolutely integral part of a treble winning season.

I dont know how much more conclusively people can be proven wrong, and still put forward the same trite argument. We have had 12 unbelievably successful years with Burrow in the defensive line. Its pretty obvious that whatever frailties are there can be covered.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "are people really arguing that Burrow hasnt got a place a 'anymore' two games in to the season after he was an absolutely integral part of a treble winning season.

I dont know how much more conclusively people can be proven wrong, and still put forward the same trite argument. We have had 12 unbelievably successful years with Burrow in the defensive line. Its pretty obvious that whatever frailties are there can be covered.'"


Perhaps burrow needs to be first man in history to win 3 Harry Sunderland trophies as 2 MOM and 7 championship medals are bit run of mill. Alan Tait, Andy Farrell, Sir Kev and Burrow have 2 each. Not bad company to be in. he gets exposed a bit when we can't play a proper a hooker for any part of game. Answer is play a hooker and have burrow in the team.

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Quote: Frosties. "Because deals with other clubs are not known about, just like when Leeds went in for Clark even though he'd already agreed to go to Warrington. Things are put in place and not public knowledge.'"


Leeds knew Warrington had done a deal though and we're trying to work with them to get Clark to come to Headingley instead, they weren't blindly just talking to Cas oblivious to Warrington's involvement.

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We have Watkins and moon at centre we don't need to try and play Sutcliffe there and confuse the kid even more or play him at hooker

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Quote: SmokeyTA "are people really arguing that Burrow hasnt got a place a 'anymore' two games in to the season after he was an absolutely integral part of a treble winning season.'"


It is only really Gotcha who is saying Burrow has no place anymore and he's been waiting to scapegoat Burrow and McGuire in 2016. Even those of us who aren't keen on him starting at hooker are quite happy with him coming off the bench.

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Quote: Mark Laurie "We have Watkins and moon at centre we don't need to try and play Sutcliffe there and confuse the kid even more or play him at hooker'"


Add in Handley coming through and being a potential centre in time. Depends on if Watkins gets lured away to RU and what Moon's plans are regarding staying in England or eventually returning to Australia someday.

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Quote: Mark Laurie "We have Watkins and moon at centre we don't need to try and play Sutcliffe there and confuse the kid even more or play him at hooker'"


I agree about him not playing centre as his vision and creativity would be somewhat wasted imo
Hooker I think is a better option in the future, he is big enough for the defensive work and if Lilly and Golding emerge as quality halves then that could be the solution a couple of years away- don't forget that Cameron Smith played his first season at 7
However for this season we should play him at 6 as he and Mcguire combined really well last year and at 19 it would be a bit silly to put unnecessary pressure on Lilly who should start playing more often off the bench and start when Mcguire or Sutcliffe are injured

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Quote: ThePrinter "It is only really Gotcha who is saying Burrow has no place anymore and he's been waiting to scapegoat Burrow and McGuire in 2016. Even those of us who aren't keen on him starting at hooker are quite happy with him coming off the bench.'"



I see different season, and still making things up?

I haven't said that. We were talking about starting 13, and Him but a clear point down. The way the game has changed there is not a place for Burrow in a starting 13. He is neither a good enough scrum half or a good enough hooker. Impact from the bench however, is something completely different. Just read, it is easy enough.

Funniest post ever however is Smokeys. He lambasted a player who was integral to our success last season, yet believes Burrow was.

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