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| Temperament-wise I don't rate Eastmond. Not that long ago he was widely reported as having threatened to walk out after being subbed in a game at Harlequins. Ability-wise, I'd take him over Brierley any day of the week. However, I really don't envisage any kind of swap deal involving players with profiles as high as him, Watkins and Burgess have.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: Gotcha "Any interest in Watkins is surely for the next world cup. That is four years away. So I agree with you, what benefit would Watkins get in leaving Leeds any time sooner than 12 months before the next world cup? He can still do three years here with the potential for success, before then moving on to run down his career in the other code whilst getting to experience their premier competition.'"
After seeing what happened with Sam Burgess i'd say any player wanting to move to RU for a World Cup chance should give themselves much more time than 12 months.
You wouldn't get in the squad in time for the 6 Nations which would leave you maybe one or two friendlies just before the World Cup to gain international experience. Any potential move to RU should be done at least two years before a World Cup, possibly even 3.
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| Everyone who goes to RU thinks they are gonna be the next Jason Robinson, but he was the exception not the rule. Most of the time they end up crawling back less fit and skillful than they left and become poorer RL players. They rarely seem to become a success.
Yeah yeah I know, the money.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Everyone who goes to RU thinks they are gonna be the next Jason Robinson, but he was the exception not the rule. Most of the time they end up crawling back less fit and skillful than they left and become poorer RL players. They rarely seem to become a success.
Yeah yeah I know, the money.'"
No, no, no.... It's nothing to do with the money.... It's the challenge... A bigger spectacle.... The higher profile... A 'childhood ambition'..... Everything except the money.....
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62325_1407754004.gif [quote="Jamie Peacock MBE":af0ys02h]'There's been a couple of times during my career when I've thought about moving elsewhere but, when I run out in front of 17,000, 18,000 people at Headingley, I've thought 'nah, this is the place for me'.[/quote:af0ys02h]
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| Quote: Superted "No, no, no.... It's nothing to do with the money.... It's the challenge... A bigger spectacle.... The higher profile... A 'childhood ambition'..... Everything except the money.....'"
We all know what it is. To Dance on Ice or Strictly Dance or Captain a Game Show Panel.
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| Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.'"
I think you are spot on Andy, these guys have 5-15 years of top earning potential with which to secure their future, if t'other code can offer more money, some will be tempted. It was the same the other way around for long enough before RU went officially professional.
That and the chance to play for Northern Hemisphere, World Cup whipping boy rabble
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.'"
Nope, me neither.... Life's too short to waste time playing a sport that isn't as enjoyable for the sake of a couple of highlight events.... RL has plenty of highlight opportunities and still earn fantastic coin if you're at the Burgess level of the game..... Just my opinion of course - I'd rather enjoy more moments consistently throughout my life than just have a couple of highlights....
Burgess to RU is about money and ego - both of which he already has plenty of....
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| I think if players are going to go to RU then they really should've had an existing interest in it. Sinfield has said before how he's wanted to try it for a while so you imagine he follows it and knows the jist of what's going on. Some guys who have made the move you wonder just how much (if any) RU they've actually ever watched before making the move. Didn't Sam Tomkins say something along the lines of he's never really watched a game of RU before he made his Barbarians appearance a few years back.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.'"
Yeah, that's what they think. That they'll become a sporting icon playing in front of 70k.
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62325_1407754004.gif [quote="Jamie Peacock MBE":af0ys02h]'There's been a couple of times during my career when I've thought about moving elsewhere but, when I run out in front of 17,000, 18,000 people at Headingley, I've thought 'nah, this is the place for me'.[/quote:af0ys02h]
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.'"
If that's what they want, then good luck to them.
Union and League are like Chalk and Cheese. But Chalk doesn't taste as nice as Cheese.
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| Quote: Middleton_Loiner "If that's what they want, then good luck to them.
Union and League are like Chalk and Cheese. But Chalk doesn't taste as nice as Cheese.'"
The chalk may not taste very nice, but it gives you a paid off mortgage with disposable income to invest and grow for financial freedom.
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40515_1330766741.jpg Don't worry about avoiding temptation.
As you grow older, it will avoid you!
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Maybe they'd rather be playing in front of 70,000 people more than once (or twice if you're lucky) per year?
Maybe they'd rather have the chance, if they really make it, to go on a proper British Lions tour?
All while making more money than they could have made by staying in RL.
Yeah, no idea why any young man with a time-limited career would even consider something like that.'"
Correct. Why should a professional player that has won everything in our game not seek a better opportunity and a new challenge which will secure his financial future in a big way. He will earn at least double his basic and should double that again with off field deals.
In addition someone with Watkins skills will almost certainly make it in to the English squad where he will get the chance to star on the big stage around the world and hit the earnings jackpot and line up a second career after he retires.
To suggest that he is somehow a traitor or shouldn't take the chance if offered is small minded and a bit hypocritical when you consider how League used the cheque book to attract so many Union stars that enriched our game so much.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "The chalk may not taste very nice, but it gives you a paid off mortgage with disposable income to invest and grow for financial freedom.'"
If it works out well. What about the cases of Chev Walker and Lee Smith. Come back a year or less later, your stock having dropped. Picked up in one case by HKR never to be the player or expect the wages you could had you stayed.
For the short period they were in RU, do you think those two players over the next 5-6 years made less money than if they'd have stayed at Leeds, carried on being a part of our successes and rewarded by the club.
I'd suggest both have made less money in their careers because of a short stay in RU derailing their careers.
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| Where would Watkins play in union? Outside centre would be the obvious choice, but Bath, and England already have Joseph who is similar in style to Watkins. Like Burgess, it would be a waste of talent.
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