19 for Cas www.therhinos.co.uk/news/27403.php 1. Zak Hardaker 2. Tom Briscoe 3. Kallum Watkins 4. Joel Moon 5. Ryan Hall 6. Danny McGuire 7. Rob Burrow 8. Kylie Leuluai 10. Jamie Peacock 12. Carl Ablett 13. Kevin Sinfield (c) 14. Stevie Ward 15. Brett Delaney 17. Adam Cuthbertson 19. Brad Singleton 21. Josh Walters 26. Ashton Golding 29. Jordan Lilley 30. Mitch Garbutt Burrow and Golding most likely to miss out IMO

19 for Cas www.therhinos.co.uk/news/27403.php 1. Zak Hardaker 2. Tom Briscoe 3. Kallum Watkins 4. Joel Moon 5. Ryan Hall 6. Danny McGuire 7. Rob Burrow 8. Kylie Leuluai 10. Jamie Peacock 12. Carl Ablett 13. Kevin Sinfield (c) 14. Stevie Ward 15. Brett Delaney 17. Adam Cuthbertson 19. Brad Singleton 21. Josh Walters 26. Ashton Golding 29. Jordan Lilley 30. Mitch Garbutt Burrow and Golding most likely to miss out IMO

If burrow is fit I'd say Walters and Goldin g to drop.

Watkins and Burrow named in the 19. The way the article is worded it sounds like Watkins will play (also Handley not included) and Burrow probably not. Achurch drops out as surprise surprise, he's injured (hand). Keinhorst not included but has only been ruled out for 2 weeks. I know one or two don't rate him but the fewer player ruled out for the season then the better. Oh and no Robbie Ward still.

Not sure that's entirely true. Speed of pass is pretty crucial for a hooker, less so for a half who can stand a little deeper if his passes lack a bit in the way of snappiness. A hooker with a slower pass - and we're talking fractions of a second here - results in the play being confined to a narrower channel. This tends to result in the a ruck that's much easier to defend. That doesn't make it a limitation that can't be overcome but explains why Aiton had such a positive effect.

You've often said that the role of hooker now is akin to a HB and not really about defending.....but it's not though is it. Look at other teams, look at the defensive work the likes of Roby, McIlorum, Houghton etc do, it's massive, usually the most impressive defensive performance of the night comes from the hooker.

The choice of hooker shouldn't be based on attack and not defence, it should be based on both.

You actually point out that doing such a defensive workload is why we have an interchange hooker as it's so physically demanding to try do it for the full 80. It's exactly why asking the other forwards to do the hooker's tackling for him is a bad idea because it's physically demanding on them and then effects what they can do carting the ball forward.

And the funny thing about you saying Robbie Ward is deemed not good enough, it's more than likely that it's because of his defence that he (and McShane and Hood) weren't trusted. The thing you think shouldn't matter.

The fact remains the Sinfield at 9 Mags at 7 Cuthbo at 6 hasn't worked and we've effectively lost 2 players as Mags gets islolated and is easy to close down plus we lose the impact Cuthbo has at 13 or prop.
Also i disagree that Aiton being fit wouldn't have made any difference he automatically gives us balance in the HB's ,Much better distribution for the ptb and an actual threat from Dummy Half.
As for moving forward Burrow isn't gonna be fit so i stick with putting Lilley in at 7 his natural position and i'll also add i agree Golding earned his chances this year albeit through injury Lilley as outplayed him in our U19's behind a battered pack at times and imo deserves a first team run at 7.
At least that way it takes the pressure off Mags and we get more out of Cuthbo at either 13 or Prop Sinfield may not hold a threat at 9 but he's more experienced there and can do the full 80 freeing up a bench spot for an extra forward which i think we need this week.

keinhorst has been cleared of a suspected eye socket fracture according to sky. Pleased for the guy

I would've picked Handley. Pick him at RW and Briscoe to LC and tried Moon at hooker. Can't be no worst than going with 1 HB, or Keinhorst like some suggested or Burrow.

He has good hands, can pass, I think he could be a dangerous runner from dummy half and is a reliable defender who MIGHT even be able to defend in he middle, he copes well physically even when he has to defend further infield when Burrow and McGuire have both defended outside in the past (if not we could revert to the Burrow plot of letting him defend in his own position. Whilst he's had a good season I don't think he's the most vital of the back 5 to keep in place and others like Briscoe (or Keinhorst) could do just as well supplying Hall outside them. You could also easily swap him and Sinfield around if it's not working as hoped or even just to mix it around during the game.

If we have to go left field thinking with no Aiton, Burrow or Sutcliffe and Ward not trusted then I think that would be the best bet.

Plus with Ablett inside him, it is not like he is seeing much ball, despite his danger.

When I said "distribution" that refers to the passing ability long and short fast and delayed. Most decent half backs have a full range of passes. Aiton's performances were not that good the previous season and I think his style this season was developed on the training field.

Roby is in a class of his own and like JP is something of a freak. McIlorum has a good aggressive defense and go forward but IMO iffy distribution while Houghton puts in high tackle counts with quite poor distribution - you may recall he perhaps cost Hull the game the other week against us with bad passes. IMO one of the reasons there are so few top "proper hookers" is because we ask too much of them. In seeking a replacement for Aiton we are not overwhelmed with choice are we?



Great if they can do both but IMO the priority is distribution and dummy runs.



Yes but most sides pick 3 forwards on the bench one of whom is often a hooker who comes on for 20 minutes. If your starting hooker could play the full 80 you replace the 20 minute not so good reserve hooker with an extra decent forward who can play longer spells and spread the tackling duties around.



This could well be true but it is equally possible that his passing i'snt good enough.

If only Danny Buderus were available!!

Won't be surprised what so ever if McDermott has realised his problems and Golding starts in the stand off position.

Hardaker
Briscoe Watkins Moon Hall
Golding McGuire
Garbutt Sinfield Peacock
Ablett Ward
Cuthbertson

Lilley Delaney Singleton Leuluai

Walters Burrow

"tried Moon at hooker".



What are you on about...................... if you were really on the grassy knoll in Dallas, Kennedy would still be alive because you'd have thought a spud gun would do the job

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Briscoe watkins moon hall

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Garbut Lilly peacock
Ward ablett
Cuthbertson

Golding delaney leuleui singleton

I think sinfield is more affective at 6 than 9