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Quote: ThePrinter "How are they fresher? Especially "very fresh", they looked knackered last night. Hasn't Peacock been rested more than any of their props? How old is Singleton, who didn't grasp a chance to turn the game when he came on (the much older Crabtree did for Hudds last night).

Like you say though, none of their props are really stars, unlike Peacock, i'd say that's a weakness not a good thing.'"


This is what i'm talking about, people squirming and doggedly arguing the blantantly obvious. Opposition fans can see it as clear as day but most leeds fans just bury their head in the sand.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Watkins was recieving the ball with a line of warrington defenders in front of him. Even last night when wigan were getting a shellacking they still managed to play with good attacking structure.

Why oh why can't leeds adopt the same play with the waves of dummy runners creating space for the backs.'"


See what I mean about favourites being offered excuses.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "This is what i'm talking about, people squirming and doggedly arguing the blantantly obvious. Opposition fans can see it as clear as day but most leeds fans just bury their head in the sand.'"


That answered none of the questions I asked!

Who is squirming again?

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Quote: ThePrinter "See what I mean about favourites being offered excuses.'"


So you think recieving the ball, after a headless chicken, flat footed, pedestrian attack with a line of defenders in front of you, you think watkins should be making hay in those situations?

I'm not saying watkins played well, it's a collective thing.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "So you think recieving the ball, after a headless chicken, flat footed, pedestrian attack with a line of defenders in front of you, you think watkins should be making hay in those situations?

I'm not saying watkins played well, it's a collective thing.'"


See excuses again, with others it's just "they're c**p".

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Quote: ThePrinter "How are they fresher? Especially "very fresh", they looked knackered last night. Hasn't Peacock been rested more than any of their props? How old is Singleton, who didn't grasp a chance to turn the game when he came on (the much older Crabtree did for Hudds last night).

Like you say though, none of their props are really stars, unlike Peacock, i'd say that's a weakness not a good thing.'"


How are they fresher? They will be at the end of the season when trophies are handed for reasons I mentioned already above.

Your argument about singleton and crabtree is just irrelevant, this is type of fog knitting I'm talking about. Singleton is young and no he didn't ''grab the chance to turn the game when he came on'', that's my f*cking argument. We rely too much on peacock and leuluai and we don't have enough grunt off the bench. Singleton is a good young player but he doesn't have the authority in the collisions yet. Crabtree is often used as an impact sub for Huddersfield. He's not spent nigh on 10 years doing circa 80 minutes including at international level.

Leeds weakness is their pack and their reliance on peacock. Every man and his dog can see it except some leeds fans.

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Quote: ThePrinter "See excuses again, with others it's just "they're c**p".'"


I haven't called any players crap from tonight game.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "How are they fresher? They will be at the end of the season when trophies are handed for reasons I mentioned already above.

Your argument about singleton and crabtree is just irrelevant, this is type of fog knitting I'm talking about. Singleton is young and no he didn't ''grab the chance to turn the game when he came on'', that's my f*cking argument. We rely too much on peacock and leuluai and we don't have enough grunt off the bench. Singleton is a good young player but he doesn't have the authority in the collisions yet. Crabtree is often used as an impact sub for Huddersfield. He's not spent nigh on 10 years doing circa 80 minutes including at international level.

Leeds weakness is their pack and their reliance on peacock. Every man and his dog can see it except some leeds fans.'"



Make up your mind, it was Peacock AND Leuluai the previous post now it's just Peacock.

I keep getting told that if they're "good enough then they're old enough" yet when a 'celebrated' youngster is picked out for criticism then it's a case of "he's young you've got to excuse him."

Make up your minds!

And the argument about Singleton/Crabtree is anything but irrelevant (just highlight you don't have an answer in reply). You want impact from the bench, well he was on the bench, did he impact? No. Now I know Kirke didn't either but I'm pretty sure only one will be getting the stick on here.

That is the actual point that some Leeds fans miss on here. Looking past whole team performances (bad issues wise) and saying the usual suspects are too blame/sh*t/need offloading.

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A proper half back pairing needed or at least a scrum half.

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Wire tactics seemed clear - enthusiasm and speed off the line in defence. Win the ruck and quick ptb keeping the ball in the centre and driving through the line. Leeds seemed to have little answer.
I'm not too sure what the Leeds tactics were to be honest. (Any thoughts?)
The first 20 mins were nip and tuck but then it was 60 mins of Wire.

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Quote: ThePrinter "Make up your mind, it was Peacock AND Leuluai the previous post now it's just Peacock.

I keep getting told that if they're "good enough then they're old enough" yet when a 'celebrated' youngster is picked out for criticism then it's a case of "he's young you've got to excuse him."

Make up your minds!

And the argument about Singleton/Crabtree is anything but irrelevant (just highlight you don't have an answer in reply). You want impact from the bench, well he was on the bench, did he impact? No. Now I know Kirke didn't either but I'm pretty sure only one will be getting the stick on here.

That is the actual point that some Leeds fans miss on here. Looking past whole team performances (bad issues wise) and saying the usual suspects are too blame/sh*t/need offloading.'"


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