You can assume whatever you want. As to why he retained his position I woud simply refer you to our past coaching staff.

I like Bailey because he had what I call "corners" and he used them. I also seem to recall 30 odd thousand Leeds fans cheering to the rafters at our numerous GF victories but I dont recall at the time hearing many bleating about one or even two individuals.

Yes he may now have peaked career wise but another thing I like about the current Rhinos set up is we do tend to retain some loyalty to those who have served us well.

I think he (past tense I admit) frustrated, annoyed and distracted the opposition on most occassions.

The second point I was making is that you and several others on this thread appear to be somewhat hypocrtical ...IMHO

or are you denying the facts of his Leeds career.

The question is still do you think he is an intimidating presence in the team or not , quite why you feel I am being hypocritical or denying his Leeds career is bizarre in the extreme .

Bailey isn't intimidating. The opposition always wants to get stuck into him. I remember a game at kr circa 2009 when he shirked out of taking the first drive on a penalty because the saints forwards were ravenous, pointing him out and saying "you just try and run at me son". Bailey copped fa'asavalu with a dodgy hit and they got wound up and started tackling like demons. Half the time bailey only motivates a team to defend faster and harder. He stirs up the hornets nest.

It's laughable people seriously suggest he's intimidating when you get players lining up to knock his block off.

Yes him being a target man hasn't worked, not once. Ever.

Then yer memory is playing tricks he did take it up and Graham hit him 3rd man in ironically what everyone slated RB for.
Also there was nothing dodgy about him snotting fatty sat on the loo either he stood his ground and the Lummox ran into him the furore was because he got a smashed schnozz as a result of him running into RB's shoulder and replays showed CLEARLY Maurie was falling forward before contact.
RB can leave for me but lets not start making stuff up to back a negative view of a player he has been there and done it but lacks consistency & to be fair is no longer required imo but saying that he has contributed more than the panto sh## you like to spout.

Bails passing his wisdom on. He's probably teaching raised knees etc. www.leedsrugbyfoundation.org/events/21832.php

Bails passing his wisdom on. He's probably teaching raised knees etc. www.leedsrugbyfoundation.org/events/21832.php

Search leeds Helens biff on the tube of you and the bailey graham vid is on.

The main problem with this argument of he has all the GF rings, been selected by the best coaches etc is that by some it's a very selective argument. The same could be said of critisism aimed at kirke.

I personally don't dislike him as a player just don't rate him as highly as some. Think he is a decent player to have in the squad but not leading the front row. Which is where some of my frustration with him lies as I personally believe he could have been much more.

The graham hit was in our half, I was referring to a situation where leeds had a tap in their half and bailey bottled out of driving it in after the saints players were dying for it to happen. Intimidation...not even once.

I remember that and the hit reverberated around headingly and into leeds city centre. That was the single greatest moment of baileys career and when you think he's been calable of that, but has all too often offered powder puff, that's why some people are frustrated with him.

I would say that run he did at Catalan a couple of years ago was the best thing he's ever done.

Where was that level of play throughout his career though?