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| Quote: G1 "Is his frame built for that role?
I think he will eventually play 6.'"
Not at the moment, but at 6'2 and 14 and half stone he will be.
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| Hardaker
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Sutcliffe/Sinfield
Burrow
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Aiton
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Sinfield/Sutcliffe
Bailey/Kylie
Jjb
Ward/Achurch
Mcguire
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| I quite like this one
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| Ward and Sutcliffe would be in my 17 week in week out if fit and I would have Ablett, Delaney in the second row with Achurch on the bench and no JJB, he has been a great servant but his tackling is awful, misses too many crucial tackles IMO, sad because he is still great going forward.
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| The 17 is looking very good but if you really can't resolve the Ward v Sutcliffe debate, we'd be happy to give one a home at Wakefield for a while.
Both great players. My preferance is Sutcliffe but probably only because I have seen him more recently.
McDermott is going to have a (good) problem keeping everyone happy.
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| Quote: bigMAL "Ward and Sutcliffe would be in my 17 week in week out if fit and I would have Ablett, Delaney in the second row with Achurch on the bench and no JJB, he has been a great servant but his tackling is awful, misses too many crucial tackles IMO, sad because he is still great going forward.'"
He misses those crucial tackles beacause of the amount of work he is expected to do, not because he has gone backwards in that regard. Far too much is expected of him from carries and tackles, that his yards per carry are small, and the tackles he misses are often game breaking. It's not a new thing.
JJB shouldn't be out of the 17, the work load should be shared around, and he should be the impact sub, that way you get the benefit of the work rate, without the fatigue errors.
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| I'd also add that Aiton imho should start.
His defense is punishing and will ease the way for Burrow when he comes on for impact.
Aiton coming on would be good, as he has skills, but you will see a difference in the middle field defense when he is there.
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| 1. Zak Hardaker
20. Tom Briscoe
3. Kallum Watkins
4. Joel Moon
5. Ryan Hall
13. Kevin Sinfield
26. Liam Sutcliffe
21. Brad Singleton
9. Paul Aiton
10. Jamie Peacock
15. Brett Delaney
12. Carl Ablett
14. Stevie Ward
7. Rob Burrow
8. Kylie Leuluai
11. Jamie Jones-Buchanan
16. Ryan Bailey
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| Gotcha - you'll be pleased/surprised/amazed (*delete as appropriate) to know that for once I agree with you!
Ward to me, looked a natural from the minute he stepped into the first team. In 2012 we arguably were in crisis at times and throughout that his form was excellent. It's hard to make direct comparisons as they were playing completely different roles - grafting second row compared to someone trying to be a creative halfback / loose forward. Ward obviously has more skill than we have seen so far however I can't see him playing in the halves as defensively he is an absolute machine who was integral in our run at the end of 2012. Sutcliffe looks like a half similar to someone like Fittler who will have a physical presence and be able to create things as well. By 2016 I would like to think they will start at 6 and 13 respectively. For now, the obvious transition is for Ward to play in the back row and gain more responsibility and Sutcliffe to develop his organisation learning alongside SInfield but necessarily in the spotlight of starting every week.
My 17 to begin the year would be:
Hardaker
Briscoe
Watkins
Moon
Hall
McGuire
Sinfield
Leuluai
Aiton
Peacock
JJB
Delaney
Ablett
Ward
Bailey
Singleton
Burrow
This leaves BJB, Sutcliffe, Clarkson, Kirke, Achurch who are all accomplished first team players in reserve. While I don't agree with Hetherington's ideas for the press about how strong we are compared to previous years, we are also not a million miles away***
***Providing Peacock, Delaney, JJB, Leuluai, McGuire are fully fit and ready to go round again. I'd certainly be looking to rest all of them at times throughout the season.
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| I don't think BJB has done anything to warrant de-selection from the team on last years performaces. I'd make Briscoe wait his turn.
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| Quote: thebloodbath "I don't think BJB has done anything to warrant de-selection from the team on last years performaces. I'd make Briscoe wait his turn.'"
I agree ref BJB ....
Hall
BjB
Watkins
Moon
Briscoe
Hardaker
McGuire
Delaney
That average ex Wakey hooker
Singleton
Ward
Sutcliffe
Sinfield
Burrow
Achurch
Ablett
Peacock
Get some pace into the second row
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| Quote: nantwichexile "
Get some pace into the second row
And take some acceleration out of fullback!
Proper position tinkering are you.
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| Quote: nantwichexile "I agree ref BJB ....
Hall
BjB
Watkins
Moon
Briscoe
Hardaker
McGuire
Delaney
That average ex Wakey hooker
Singleton
Ward
Sutcliffe
Sinfield
Burrow
Achurch
Ablett
Peacock
Get some pace into the second row
You're slipping. You haven't included 6 academy kids you've just this minute heard of.
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| I'm amused by the number of people still putting Sinfield at 13. This clearly won't happen, and I think people are viewing him with 2008/09 tinted glasses. In those days he was able to defend the middle third, make 30 tackles and still get up and run a game. on the odd occasion he could do it these days, but over the course of a season I don't think his body is up to it. We do howveer have someone who could potentially do that role in either Ward or Sutcliffe. I'd go with them.
My 17 would be something like:
Hardaker
Hall
Moon
Watkins
Briscoe
Sifield
Burrow
Delaney
Aiton
Peacock
Ablett
JJB
Ward
Leuluai
Sutcliffe
Singleton
Bailey/Kirke
Sutcliffe gets in over McGuire because of the variation in positions he can play, though standard pattern would be to come on for Aiton, with Burrow to hooker.
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| I expect we are likely to see Aiton open at hooker, with Burrow come off the bench into that role as the game goes on. I wonder what role Aiton will take when he comes back on? Does he play any other positions?
Think about how we used to use Newton and Lee Jackson: Newton would play the first 20 at hooker, Jackson would come in to speed things up, then Newton would return in the back row for the last 20.
Anyway, exciting stuff coming up, pity I won't be here to see it.
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