What a load of poop. JJB motivate his team mates? give over. He is an hard grafting very average talent back rower. You could have gone out and had another 200/300 JJB's over the period he has been in the team. Comparing him with Sinfields importance to the success is absolute ludicrous.

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Do you own a secret back row forward cloning factory or something? If you could have found another 200/300 JJBs over the last few years, you could have given just a couple of them to the Rhinos to fill the gaps we've had.

I know there is an incredible amount of biase at times on here which blanks peoples minds, but what exactly are you trying to argue there?

For a start just forget about UK, and look at the NRL. 16 teams, with each having four backrowers, that's a pool of 64 players, minimum right now. Look at that over the 13 year period, and be very conservative and say that would have changed 4 times each in that period. That's 256 right there.

That's completely ignoring, the Queensland and New South Wales leagues with 26 teams between them, France, New Zealand, other developing nations, and then of course back to our own Super League.

There is many average players out there who can equally hold there own in teams where real stars carry them around.

.....and all those players you think were the equal or better than JJB?

He is more than averagely talented. How many back-rowers playing RL competitively in this country have that level of talent? Or are you using a hitherto unknown definition of average?

In any event, sporting success is a measure of more than pure talent. Do you really think a man who is almost always close to the top of the tackle count, who has led more kick-chases than we could count and who is, by all accounts, an infectiously enthusiastic and driven character is of no importance to the team?

We can agree to disagree, opinions being like h0les and all that. JJB remains my 2nd favourite player in the multi-title winning (2003-2012) vintage.

So every backrow in the NRL (and a number from other lower competitions) is better than a player who has played for England / GB a number of times over several email?

Like many of your claims on here there is some element of sense behind it, but it gets lost in the vast over-exaggeration that you are prone to followed by a desperate attempt to justify you exageration.

JJB is not the most wonderfully gifted back rower, like a Lauiti'iti or a Menzies, but he is bloody talented, and his work ethic and value to the squad make up for that plenty, and for me allow him to be mentioned as a great of this team.

Would JJB have made any NRL side during that 13 year period? No he wouldn't, so in answer yes to your first question. By the way, I didn't use the word "better" anywhere, I clearly said average back rowers, a description that matches the majority around the world (IMO), and hence why I said you could find so many who could have done his job.

Where we agree is when you talk of work ethic, and I have never said shyed away from that credit to him. Where we differ, is talented. He isn't, in fact in some areas he is below average, and then makes it back up in others.

The point entirely was that you could have had another body in there in his shirt and called him Jamie Jones Goodcannon, and the success wouldn't have changed. Sinfield was the the master behind that success, and why I said he was way above the others when looking at honours to be recognised. It wasn't about JJB, and obviously he appeals to some and good luck to them. What I wouldn't have given though to have some of the backrowers we have had over the years in failed teams, to have been part of the Leeds of last 10 years.

Give me a player who does a high volume of little things to a usually very high standard over a show-pony any day of the week.

Gotcha, I think you are both seriously over estimating the quality across the NRL, underestimating JJB's ability, and using a poor definition of "average"
A lot of errors for one paragraph.

Either that, or just trolling. But trolling should be more than just being called out for talking .

I would say you need to understand "average" before having at a go at someone. Then you can see the context that I said it in, and in which I am most certainly not undervalueing any player.

And the use of the word "poop" was in reply to what I consider ludicrous that anyone would say JJB value to this squad is anywhere close to that of Sinfield.

Did you mean modal, mean or median average? You defined average as "a description that matches the majority around the world" which isn't a description of any form of average I recognise. I didn't have a go at you or anyone. I did criticise your posting.

And the use of the word "poop" was in reply to what I consider ludicrous that you would say JJB's value to this squad was that you could have had another body in there in his shirt and called him Jamie Jones Goodcannon, and the success wouldn't have changed.

Forget your maths, if you have 10 6ft blokes in a room, then the average hight of them is 6ft, if you have 10 20 stone blokes in a room, the average weight of them is 20 stone. If you have 250 backrowers playing rugby league around the world now, 20 are top class and removed, 30 are utter poop and removed, you are left with 200 which are pretty much the same, or in other words average, the majority.

You are putting too many players into the "average" category. How about having 250 around the world categorised as:
10 top tier internationals
20 capable of playing top tier intl
30 good club players
40 above average club players
40 average club players
40 below average club players
40 poor players
30 utter poop.

Where would you put JJB in that set of categories?