When Farrell was going relatively well at the start of the season I posted on the inbred board that he isn't big enough for international RL as a back rower. That's what led to me being banned. I await my glorious un-banning, fawning apologies & eating of humble pie.

We scored in that passage of play anyway.

Pfft. Details.

Dont bother just talk to reasonable wiganers on here or other boards,but avoid the void

Disagree. The game ebbed and flowed. NZ had their periods on top, so did we. NZ made some stupid mistakes....so did we. 3 tries a piece. Don't think theres sufficient evidence from what was on show to claim we were the better team.

The entire structure of englands last 2 sets was shocking. They put themselves in that position of defending the line with seconds left. Think it might have been the 3rd or 2nd to last set england had in posession (may have been further back, but it was in the last 10 mins) widdop put up a midfield bomb. WTF? Territory was as important as oxygen at that stage, and NZ started the set on their 35/40 metre line.

You put some of those england players in a super league grand final at old trafford and they'd have been constructing sets to pin the opposition down in the corner and not give them a sniff. The pressure got to them at the end.

One of my favourite Leeds moments - Hall's intercept vs Manly in the WCC at Headingley has forever been ruined as I won't be able to watch it the same again without thinking "if only at Wembley too."

You're absolutely right on this, giving a penalty away and missing tackles will always happen in a game. However, an organised and quality team keeps the play in locations where they are less likely to be damaging. Had that set started on their 5m line, which it should have, the chances are that they would have been nowhere near our line when the penalty was conceded. It is a shame because, in my view, Widdop was one of the better players on the park but, I'm sure he will learn from it.

On a wider note, I do believe that we had enough of the game to be considered the better of the two sides. Their try in the first half was fortunate and should never have been given. The second try was on the back of five straight penalties.

Why shouldn't it have been given out of interest?

Because it was bloody annoying that’s why. Surely someone could have found a knock on in there somewhere.

Because we couldn't tackle the man with the ball......repeatedly !

This, well all of the above, and the fact that the pass from Luke was about 3m forward.

What a tool.