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Quote: tvoc "Sinfield does almost but not quite everything Brough would have done ...... only much slower.

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Specifically!! such as what for example??? Can you give some direct examples from the game on Saturday or is that just your biased prejudiced view ???

Sinfield had a direct hand in at least 3 tries, at pace both in thought and deed.

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Why would my views be particularly biased or prejudiced - at least anymore than anyone elses?

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Quote: tvoc "Why would my views be particularly biased or prejudiced - at least anymore than anyone elses?'"


don't duck the issue answering a question with a question

but to help you out here

Quote: tvoc "Sinfield does almost but not quite everything Brough would have done ...... only much slower.'"


Please give some specific examples when and where this happened on Saturday.

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Quote: DoubleAone "don't duck the issue answering a question with a question'"


It isn't ducking the issue to ask what makes my view (on the relative merits of Sinfield and Brough as International half-backs) anymore biased and prejudiced than the next.

It may differ from other fan's views (I've no idea) but why would it be based on bias and prejudice even if it does?

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So you're unable to give DoubleAone any specific examples then?

I'll tell you one thing Sinfield does for the England team that Brough doesn't. Accept he is English. I fail to see why Brough merits any further discussion in relation to England.

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IMHO I think you should perhaps stick to collecting cold hard stats on the game, if you cant answer a simple question based on your assertion regarding Sinfield.

Terrace Test Caps are very easy to earn.

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And it's a view you are entitled to hold just as I am entitled to hold the view that Danny Brough is a quicker International half-back than Kevin Sinfield.

Now explain why you think my view is clouded by bias and prejudice anymore than the next mans?

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When you're playing half-back in Test rugby, pace is of course essential.

Just look at Wally Lewis and Darren Lockyer.

Brough has played three games in this World Cup against second level teams. Hasn't looked the best player on the park in any of them IMO.

Let's see how impressive he looks against the Kiwis on Friday shall we?

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Quote: tvoc "And it's a view you are entitled to hold just as I am entitled to hold the view that Danny Brough is a quicker International half-back than Kevin Sinfield'"



That's not what you said and you know it.

You made a statement that Sinfield did things MUCH SLOWER than Brough.

I asked you to provide some examples of exactly where Sinfield did so during the match on Saturday.

You are now ducking the question,

and for the record I don't thing you are entitled to express a view on a professional international player unless you are qualified.

HAVE SOME RESPECT.

Unless you have a RL Test Cap hidden somewhere.

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Brough has played three games in this World Cup against second level teams. Hasn't looked the best player on the park in any of them IMO.

Let's see how impressive he looks against the Kiwis on Friday shall we?'"


In your opinion - not a fact.
Tvoc may have a contrary view.
FWIW the best half back on show in my opinion has been Shaun Johnson & he does have pace.
Pace is a desirable attribute in any position but it's not the only factor.
I'm not sure that Cronk & Thurston are blessed with blinding pace but since they usually play behind a dominant pack putting them on the front foot that doesn't really matter.
The speed of the play the ball is the key.

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If Danny Brough had kept his teddies in the pram earlier in the year we'd probably be talking about Brough AND Sinfield, not either or. He wasn't willing to fight for a place and now we must consider him Scottish. So he isn't a legitimate debating point for England's selection any more than Jonathan Thurston is.

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Quote: El Diablo "If Danny Brough had kept his teddies in the pram earlier in the year we'd probably be talking about Brough AND Sinfield, not either or. He wasn't willing to fight for a place and now we must consider him Scottish. So he isn't a legitimate debating point for England's selection any more than Jonathan Thurston is.'"

Indeed.

It baffles me. If someone wants to pine for a non English half to be English instead of Sinfield then why not pine for Thurston or Cronk rather than Brough? That is, of course, if you wanted to engage in such lunacy.

As you and I have said Brough is, by choice, Scottish again. Good for him.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "When you're playing half-back in Test rugby, pace is of course essential.

Just look at Wally Lewis and Darren Lockyer.

Brough has played three games in this World Cup against second level teams. Hasn't looked the best player on the park in any of them IMO.

Let's see how impressive he looks against the Kiwis on Friday shall we?'"



Yes because Sinfield has always looked top notch against a full strength Kiwi..........oh hang on??

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Quote: Brian McDonut "Yes because Sinfield has always looked top notch against a full strength Kiwi..........oh hang on??'"


I don't believe we have played the Kiwis yet ??? icon_rolleyes.gif

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England's chances (such as they are) would IMO have been improved had the Dewsbury, West Yorkshire born current Man Of Steel been selected in place of a/either player he consistently outshone in their meetings during the 2013 season.

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