I meant the wigan business.He should stick to running wigan

Im sure running one of the top teams, in a modern stadia, with a healthy crowd base and almost rabid fanbase to sell replica shirts etc to, combined with the teams history and brand visability to trade on is a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY hard job.

Send him to Wakey, Cas etc and he'd be gone in a year.
(burnt at the stake, I reckon)

Not confident, no. But is this really at the heart of the dispute?
One proposal they were seeking to block was a reduction to 12 teams. As it stands, that proposal is currently backed by the likes of Wakey, Cas, Bulls who to me seem most at risk. That they're apparently backing it suggests they're less fearful of the implications than they are from the route the other 6 would prefer. Hetherington's implication is that championship sides are also resistant to the plans of the six; were I a Leigh fan I might be careful what I was wishing for.

from the article I quoted

""The RFL cannot sit in its ivory tower handing out assessments on clubs without also looking at its own performance. This issue should not be swept under the carpet.""

Whilst he is talking about the crusaders, the sentiment is very much the same... that the RFL's performance wasn't upto scratch.

The reason the clubs walked out in the first place was because they believe the RFL'S performance should be reviewed along side any changes made. and I assume that rather than let it get swept under the carpet they have stood up.. How else do they make the RFL listen? sometimes it takes drastic measures..

On the face of it, It's a "selfish" thing for the clubs to do. But we all know there could be much more to this than just greedy old Wigan/Warrington/Hull KR/Hull/Catalan/Huddersfield wanting it all their own way.


As I understand it any vote for the proposed changes was supposed to have been left until after the WC yet here we are a few days before the WC with clubs being hoodwinked into a possible vote. It will more than likely still get passed and this is all just stalling tactics.


Ultimately, We all know that the RFL are constantly making mistakes and selling our sport short at times.

Interesting point to note that the 6 bottom clubs in SL in 2013, who did not walk out of the meeting last night, all have debts with the RFL that could be called in at short notice. I wonder if that swayed their decision somewhat? Leeds didn’t walk out as it’s clear their chairmen is after the RFL top job in the future. Puzzled as to why saints didn’t walk too?

Its a valid point.

You make several unsubstantiated assumptions. You also claim to speak for everyone else. I can make up my own mind, thanks.

Im sorry but im gonna upset a lot of rhino fans but gh is a yes man. if the rfl told him to run through leeds naked he reckon he prob would!

at least our chairman nh is sticking up for our club and not rolling over baclwards and saying yes master to the rfl.

So what would you do if you were in the same position as a club chairman who was put in the same situation? That of having a really strong opposition to the proposed reforms. You honestly believe that the changes will be of a detriment to both your club and the sport as a whole.

What seems, on the face of it, a churlish and childish act may be one of last ditch desperation?

Unfortunately the RFL has deeply intertwined itself with many of the SL clubs to the point that they may influence the decision of such clubs if there were a vote like this. This also prevents all the clubs from braking away from its governing body should they think that it is no longer fit for purpose.

Maybe the RFL isn't as green as it is cabbage looking.

My chairman is bigger than your chairman and is going to duff you up, so there.

Grow up.

That's exactly how it seems to me. Whilst being castigated for walking out rather than talking through the issues, it seems more like they tried and failed with that.

With this coming on the back of the player's vote being quite negative about the way the game is being run, I think it's quite poor form that the RFL just seem to want to ignore the concerns being raised and plough on and force a vote that some are quite clearly not comfortable with.

I've said on the Hull board, I don't personally think that issues of this magnitude should be able to be passed with such a slender majority, anyway.

Thoroughly agree.

Frankly, whatever solution or proposal the RFL come up with it won't get voted through unless Lenegan gets some power and influence as a result.

He seems to be setting himself up as some sort of "saviour" of the game, but I've yet to hear any kind of positive or constructive proposal come out of his mouth. All he's done so far is rubbish the ideas that others have put forward, and that's easy.

It's coming up with a solution that is the hard bit, something Barwick and the RFL are at least trying to do.

How can you discuss commercial issues until you know exactly how your product is going to look come 2015? It is right that the league structure is sorted out first, then the in-fighting can begin over who gets what slice of the cake.

I think you may have over-estimated your capacity to upset people.