It's not though is it. If people noticed he's been on the bench whilst Moore and Singleton have started of late. When Leuluai and Bailey return he could possibly be 6th choice prop. Yet some still seem certain that he'll definitely 'block the path' every single week for the next 2 years.

Kirke is a cog in a GF winning machine.

Go and remove some unspectacular part of your car's engine and see how well that works.

Smith, Webb, Buderus, Lunt, only as examples have all been cogs in GF winning sides. They have been replaced. Did the car fall apart?

I would liken Kirke to a Wheel Trim.Remove it and my Car works just the same as it always did,infact you would never even have known it was there in the first place.

More like the furry dice

More like 7 month old empty starbucks coffee cup and other litter lying in the footwell of my passenger seat.

It's there but really it shouldn't be.

Nope. The mechanic is good.

Was going to post something but then read this and thought, "why bother - tad has said exactly was I was going to say"

no, but they have been replaced to a certain extent. And by that I don't mean that Kirke is irreplaceable, just that he has his role, and he does it well enough to keep being rewarded.

He is a frustrating player, who I think should do a lot more, but I think the problem is that people think that just because he's is a prop he has to do certain pre-defined things, and I think that is far too simplistic.

When Peacock leave I don't think the club see him as a sucessor. I would expect either one of the youngsters to take on that role, or a marquee signing to take that place.

Given the fact that he has consistently been played by not one but, three coaches, you have to conclude that there must be something that we ordinary Joes can't see. I have to confess that, I have in the past and continue to fail to see what that something is.

On a positive note, as others have already suggested, I thought young Foster was a revelation.

Such as carry the ball every now and then and when you decide to do so go forwards and not backwards with it?

Maybe Kirke is a think outside the box type of player and I am just a luddite.

Maybe Kirke's out there to do things that you can't see from your seat?

Maybe he's McDermott's on field assistant and is passing on the coach's advice but by wearing a kit and dressing up as a player he doesn't get sent from the field like a trainer would?

If you hear hoofbeats, think horse not zebra.

Maybe he's just a big pile of steamingly average turd.

maybe he is decidedly average, but if he wasnt he wouldnt be 4/5/6th rotation prop at Leeds, he would be leading the line elsewhere.

maybe not making loads of errors, not being too much of a liability, being a good squad player and a good pro and being steady on the field is the best we can ask for from a 4/5/6 rotation prop on not very high wages.

i'd hazard a guess that if Kirke added running his weight and skittling opposition forwards to his game he would be asking for a lot more money and a lot more game time.

I'd agree with this - and he's happy doing what he does (albeit not a lot) for what we offer him (again, hopefully not a lot).

He is a perfect example of a squad player. Not going to set a game alight, but more than makes up the numbers and doesn't often give away penalties or costly errors. I've just given up expecting him to do much more than run the ball in now and then.... but as Smokey says, that's why he's down the prop roster.