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Quote: proper "I don't want to seem like I'm singling you out this afternoon, but some of this is a bit odd.

I'm not sure it can be solely in the RFL's gift to fix the international game. Surely the other components in a "proper" 5 Nations would need to have their own governing bodies and federations.

It's a bit much to suggest that fans of Ireland, Scotland and Wales would use the trip to London as a holiday. What few there are will barely turn up to home games. How many people will actually watch Ireland v Scotland? How many free ticketed Welsh fans will pay to travel to away fixtures against the smaller nations when they can't get a decent turn out in Wrexham? We've tried parachuting an "eligible" team into these places for World Cups and the like before. It didn't work in terms of creating sustainable growth and didn't really create any interest outside celtic ex-pat populations in Australia.

We can't credibly (or financially) use Wembley as a home for international games until somebody can be fairly confident of a crowd there. Having failed to fill smaller venues in the heartlands in the autumn last year, you'd have to be a total nutcase to book England v Wales into Wembley. I'd love to see test matches back at Wembley at some point but there are some systemic problems to fix first'"


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Yes, that's true. But as the largest of the present governing bodies it would seem the RFL's brief to lead that. I don't suggest that this will lead to an overnight solution, but it's definitely a necessary part of that solution. For the moment I'd suggest that with the right publicity, in the right place (i.e. South Wales) then a welsh national fixture could attract a decent crowd. The problem with Wrexham is it's bloody miles from where most Welsh people live. Venues for international fixtures need to stop being chosen for the convenience of the people already watching the game, and start being picked to attract new fans.

Re: Wembley, again totally accept that. There should however be at least one game in every 5N played there-we can afford that. Elsewhere let's play at Wigan or in Leeds but not at Leigh or Salford- sheds in the middle of nowhere that sell our game short.

As for a team of eligible aussies, I do think doing that in its entirety would be a bad thing. I also think that having some players like that would be a good thing in terms of making those sides more competitive. It's great we've a number of welsh players coming through/signing from RU (something we should try and do more with) but getting the Masons, the Carvells, the Brierses and the likes of David Stagg playing for Wales will help raise their profile and stop blowout scorelines in matches that devalue the game.

ATEOTD the aim for growth in Wales should be at least two, if not three franchises. But there needs to be concentration & a team everyone can support first, before specific club allegiances are made. A Welsh national team playing big RL fixture against England, somewhere that can easily be watched, and not getting hammered can only be good for the uptake of our game.

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Quote: William Eve "Don't care about the ridiculous Exiles concept and care even less about the England brand. Long gone are the days of GB and proper international tours. Two game series last year reduced to just the one game this year, and in World Cup year too, lol... go figure.

Congratulations to the RFL and Super League era on destroying what bit of credibility we once had in the international RL arena. They can add it to their lengthening list of destructive policies which has also witnessed the deliberate devaluation of the Challenge Cup and rendered that a joke too. So long as Sky are happy not to broadcast it.

Memo to ts - feel free to blame Richard Bacon, the BBC, dastardly Rugby Union or anyone else as the game continues on it's current path of dying on it's @rse. Sky will find another filler for it's summer scheduling during the soccer off-season.'"


Don't blame SL because we have been unable to beat the Aussies for 40 years - 25 of which occured before SL came into being.

You cannot have a credible international game with only 4 competitive teams - this has not changed in a hundred years - hardly a SL issue.

International tours - are you serious, RU don't have tours like they did in the past, has this effected the demand for the international RU - no another red herring!!

The Challenge Cup was in decline well before SL - when one team wins it for 8 years straight it hardly encourages interest, it could be argued that since SL the CC has become more interesting?

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Quote: William Eve "Don't care about the ridiculous Exiles concept and care even less about the England brand. Long gone are the days of GB and proper international tours. Two game series last year reduced to just the one game this year, and in World Cup year too, lol... go figure.

Congratulations to the RFL and Super League era on destroying what bit of credibility we once had in the international RL arena. They can add it to their lengthening list of destructive policies which has also witnessed the deliberate devaluation of the Challenge Cup and rendered that a joke too. So long as Sky are happy not to broadcast it.

Memo to ts - feel free to blame Richard Bacon, the BBC, dastardly Rugby Union or anyone else as the game continues on it's current path of dying on it's @rse. Sky will find another filler for it's summer scheduling during the soccer off-season.'"


Aggghhhhh, the good old death of Rugby League, unfortunately its imminent death has been greatly exaggerated many times!!

Bit like the Postal Services..........

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I wonder how much the the bookies would offer for a Scotland v Cook Islands WC final? icon_biggrin.gif

A complete farce of a "competition".

As for 'the Exiles'........does anybody really care?

If RL cannot afford/justify GB versus NZ or Oz tours here or over there then it really should stop pretending anything else is credible.
Selection to a national team should be the ultimate honour.....getting selected to play for some of the teams in the WC depends on little more than having the basic ability to qualify.

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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Don't you people remember back when we GB tours and the Challenge Cup was a bigger event.......Rugby League was clearly the number 1 sport, not only in this country but the world too! icon_rolleyes.gif

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And imagine the uproar on here if they decided not to bother with a world cup or continued with mid season internationals against france or wales. Whinging for the sake of whinging. Personally im really looking forward to the world cup, and don't think the exiles side is all that terrible. Its certainly the best team we have available to play against as a warm up.

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Quote: nantwichexile "I wonder how much the the bookies would offer for a Scotland v Cook Islands WC final?
About the same as they would offer for a Nigeria vs Mexico football World Cup Final. Both of those are regular qualifiers for the tournament, but with next to zero chance of winning it.

Does that devalue their competition too?

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Quote: Andy Gilder "About the same as they would offer for a Nigeria vs Mexico football World Cup Final. Both of those are regular qualifiers for the tournament, but with next to zero chance of winning it.

Does that devalue their competition too?'"


Agree I don't think having teams like Cook Islands playing Scotland de values the World Cup. For me what de values it is that realistically there is only 2 realistic winners, maybe 3 at a push but more than likely Aus will bee winning. In football there are several realistic options of winning the tourniment

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Are there really though?

Since 1966, there have been six different winners in 11 tournaments (West/Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Spain, France). For a global game, that would seem to indicate that the potential winners come from a small pool when compared to the number of countries which enter.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Are there really though?

Since 1966, there have been six different winners in 11 tournaments (West/Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Italy, Spain, France). For a global game, that would seem to indicate that the potential winners come from a small pool when compared to the number of countries which enter.'"


I think there are more Potential winner of a World Cup football yes.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "About the same as they would offer for a Nigeria vs Mexico football World Cup Final. Both of those are regular qualifiers for the tournament, but with next to zero chance of winning it.

Does that devalue their competition too?'"


Be serious.... everybody knows it will be a final between two out of three teams at the most.

That cannot be stated with any certainty with either the football, or RU world cup competitions.

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So the Union world cup final won't be any two from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? Yeah. Right.

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Even if you have say 6 teams capable of winning the Football World Cup, that is still a lower percentage of total teams competing (6/32....18.75%) than in the RLWC (3/14....21.4%).

So you still have the same number of teams 'making up the numbers'.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "So the Union world cup final won't be any two from Australia, New Zealand and South Africa? Yeah. Right.'"


I can't work out whether this is a joke. So my apologies. I think it is.

In case it's not, one of England or France has contested every final since 1995. 1991 featured England too.

RU's world cup can at least boast 5 finalists and 4 different winners in its last 4 iterations.

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FIFA World Cup
12 different finalists (Bra (7), Ita (6), Ger (7), Arg (4), Uru (2), Fra (2), Eng (1), Spa (1), Hol (3), Cze (2), Hun (2), Swe (1))
8 different winners (Bra (5), Ita (4), Ger (3), Arg (2), Uru (2), Fra (1), Eng (1), Spa (1)

Cricket World Cup
6 different finalists (Aus (6), Ind (3), W. Indies (3), Sri Lanka (3), Pakistan (2), England (3))
5 different winners (Aus (4), Ind (2), W. Indies (2), Sri Lanka (1), Pakistan (1))

Union World Cup
5 different finalists (NZ (3), Aus (3), SA (2), England (3), France (3))
4 different winners (NZ (2), Aus (2), SA (2), England (1)

Rugby League World Cup
4 different finalists (Aus (12), England (9), NZ (3), France (2)
3 different winners (Aus (9), England (3), NZ (1)

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