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| Quote: McLaren_Field "But you think you could, and do it quite well, with more success in the next ten years than we've had in the last ?'"
That's not my job. I can, however, make suggestions having paid to enable those who do that job professionally.
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| Well done to Warrington on a deserved victory and credit for adventurous attacking play.
IMO they won the game because they successfully marked Burrow and Sinfield (not at his best) out of the game in addition to slowing down our PTB while not allowing the Leeds defence to do the same to them. We also missed McGuire.
These factors and our silly lack of discipline spell (led by Bailey) which allowed them momentum at a crucial period were the main reasons for our defeat.
That said our 1st half performance had confounded the critics as we were well in the game. However when Sinfield chose to take the 2 points rather than try for 6, it sent out a negative message.
Despite his age JP still put in another big performance - shame some of his fellow forwards couldn´t put us on the front foot though. Without making the metres down the middle our backs never had much chance. We didn't look balanced when Lunt was on the field.
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Others/jack.jpg A well rested Giants side will rip it up in the playoffs. - Wigsey - 15/07/13:Others/jack.jpg |
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| Quote: WireWireWire "Delaneys try was not 50-50, Brett knocked on but Luelai clearly knocks it forward before Delaney picked up. The briers knock on went back and then bounced forward.'"
It wasnt clear that Kylie knocked it forward in fact the replays were inconclusive as far as I could see. Briers lost control of the ball it hits the turf and bounces forward.
Whats your take on Briers obstruction towards the end of the first half, professional foul? Sin bin offence?
Its all academic of course, enjoy your teams achievement
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| Quote: Hacked Off "It wasnt clear that Kylie knocked it forward in fact the replays were inconclusive as far as I could see. Briers lost control of the ball it hits the turf and bounces forward.
Whats your take on Briers obstruction towards the end of the first half, professional foul? Sin bin offence?
Its all academic of course, enjoy your teams achievement
I'd say it was blindingly obvious the Kylie knocked the ball forward - and knew what he was doing (completely separate movement from the tackle).
The ball went backwards off Briers - replays proved it.
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| Quote: Gaz_E "I'd say it was blindingly obvious the Kylie knocked the ball forward - and knew what he was doing (completely separate movement from the tackle).
The ball went backwards off Briers - replays proved it.'"
Fair dos. Kylie knocks it forward.......why was play restarted the way it was? Whats your take on the blatent obstruction by Briers?
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| Didn't McIlorum get sent off for Wigan a few weeks ago for cracking someone, not even a sinbin for Wood.
The main problem we still have in super league is the inconsistency with refs.
We were never gonna get anything from Silverwood in the first place anyway.
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| Having spent 6hrs driving over 200 quid on tickets and petrol my first reaction is dissopointment. For me we were very poor in the second half.
I do think the Delaney incident was 50/50. And if it had gone in our favour would have been a different game. The tackle was right in front of me and was a cracking hit.
JP seemed to play well to me, but regardless of ref decisions the right team won. By far better than us. We did seem devoid of ideas in attack and shakey in defence. But you can't win everything, and all you can say is well done Warrington deserved to win
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| no gameplan, inbalanced side, and an aging pack. we were outplayed for large parts of the game. silverwood should be embarressed by his display but it wouldn't have affected the result.
the decision to give kylie another deal looks stranger all the time. been a great player but its time to move on. JP had a big game but they are become rarer and rarer. griffin is average at best as is big. we don't have a top class prop at the club. wolves props were awesome today and set the game up for briers to run.
our 2nd rowers are all footballers, theres no real aggression in there. i felt sorry for the backs coming off there line time and again.
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| My booty was twitching through the first half, at half time I had a nasty feeling we were going to lose, I didn't want it to be a close game.
I take the points Leeds fans are making about the video ref decision as a turning point but it didn't have to be...in days of old (and in Grand Finals) that wouldn't have been a turning point, it was only a turning point because Leeds folded afterwards and once Warrington got on the front foot Leeds discipline started to go (especially Bailey) and we got a load of free penalties. Warrington are a team that scores tries in runs, and the three back to back decided the game. If Leeds had had a bit more composure and toughness today and stopped the rot to take stock after Riley's try.
Peacock was good, Sinfield tried his best but I didn't think Leeds really had anybody that really shone. I agree with the comments on here that Leeds are light up front, it reminds me of the era in the early 2000s when Leeds had a lot of talent in the backs but were short of artillery when it came to facing a big forward pack (also the downfall in 2006).
It will be a shame if all these Leeds greats end their careers without a Challenge Cup winners medal.
As in 2010 I found the Leeds fans that I spoke to on the way back on the train to be gracious in defeat and realistic in their assessment, but people only post about other clubs fans on here if they have bad stories to report.
Good luck for the rest of the season to Leeds.
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| Quote: sally cinnamon "My booty was twitching through the first half, at half time I had a nasty feeling we were going to lose, I didn't want it to be a close game.
I take the points Leeds fans are making about the video ref decision as a turning point but it didn't have to be...in days of old (and in Grand Finals) that wouldn't have been a turning point, it was only a turning point because Leeds folded afterwards and once Warrington got on the front foot Leeds discipline started to go (especially Bailey) and we got a load of free penalties. Warrington are a team that scores tries in runs, and the three back to back decided the game. If Leeds had had a bit more composure and toughness today and stopped the rot to take stock after Riley's try.
Peacock was good, Sinfield tried his best but I didn't think Leeds really had anybody that really shone. I agree with the comments on here that Leeds are light up front, it reminds me of the era in the early 2000s when Leeds had a lot of talent in the backs but were short of artillery when it came to facing a big forward pack (also the downfall in 2006).
It will be a shame if all these Leeds greats end their careers without a Challenge Cup winners medal.
As in 2010 I found the Leeds fans that I spoke to on the way back on the train to be gracious in defeat and realistic in their assessment, but people only post about other clubs fans on here if they have bad stories to report.
Good luck for the rest of the season to Leeds.'"
Thanks for the kind words. Good luck to you too, enjoy your deservd in
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| Delaney try was correctly ruled out as Leuluai knocks on, bit unlucky on the guy after such a great hit as i don't think he tried going for the ball and more accidental but he does knock it forward.
The Briers one, well usually a player's reaction tells the story and as he layed on the ground watching the ball roll away i think he believed he knocked on.
Whether you think these decisions are right or wrong, especially the latter, Silverwood isn't to blame for the Leeds players letting their heads drop for the next 20 mins afterwards. It's a shame for RL really because at half-time it looked like we could be in for a nail biting close finish, i still unfortunately think Wire would of won regardless as their attack in the final 20m was so much better than ours but it had the potential for a classic second half and we missed out on that.
I have heard some already saying it was a comfortable victory for Warrington and that Leeds were really poor which i think is harsh and wrong. Up until Delaney's try was ruled out i think we gave them a good scare and it was a very close fight although if you were marking it on points like a boxing match i would say Wire won the first half but it definately didn't look like a 17 point difference game at the time that it ended up being.
Credit to the guys for showing a bit of fight at the end because the scoreline could of got out of control and embarrassing at the end, just keep thinking back to when we took an 8-6 lead and we had momentum and the Leeds fans were making the noise and Wire started commiting a few errors as the rain came, Hall tackled Hodgson a yard from his own goalline and we let them off with a cheap offside penalty followed by Griffin's high tackle followed by Waterhouse's try and from 8-6 up and with the momentum and field position we very very cheaply let them go 12-8 ahead. That possibly just as crucial as the 2 incidents at the start of the 2nd half as we could've penned them back then and maybe got a try with following good field position a 14-6 halftime lead was a possiblity.
As for individuals, i'm expecting some fans of other teams to say Sinfield was rubbish but it did really seem like all the responsibility was on his shoulders as far as playmaking duties were concerned and lacked help and McGuire was badly missed and can only guess that Burrow's calf is why we didn't see him share a bit more of the kicking duties that he's done so well at in some of our GF successes. It's a shame that again we fail to get Watkins involved enough in attack, his 2 tries all too late and i thought Ward and especially Keinhorst unfortunately looked nervous. The big difference between the 2 teams were the dummy runners on the fringes, in attack we had none, whilst in defense we couldn't cope with it.
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| We had an awful second half.. Simple as... No excuses. The 50/50 "try" was not a try... We DID knock it on, so did wire, if in any other game the oposition recovers a knock on it is play on.. Unless THEY knock on.. Then it is a scrum to the oposition.
The ref wasnt great... For both sides. the only real bad call was the briers clear knock on... We still wouldnt have scored.
Well done Warrington. Deserved Win. I just hope this Leeds team can get a winners ring for thr CC... we have some great players and it would be a shame for the sport if one of Leeds' greatest teams misses out.
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| After seeing the weather forecast, I wanted to bet Leeds on the outright, but seeing a lack of pre-match rain and more importantly, Sinfield at hb, I did'nt bother. Sinfield sees the game an awful lot better at loose forward, than he does at hb. Feel Leeds lost the game in his 1st choice 13. Ward ( really like the look of him), Burrow, Lunt and Sinfield at 6,7,9 and 13, would have been my choice. And as for Bailey................. dear god.
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| No matter what the Ref decides IF we stay composed and strong on our line ala GF's his calls become irrellevant.
I agree with Tad the pack needs an over-haul and not just Achurch to arrive either.
The best side won but with our outside backs so young we have something to build on as long as the old guard are moved on and we finally get a defensive structure we are capable of sticking to for more than 5 games a year.
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| I thought the Briers knock on was a terrible decision. I said to my sister after 20 minutes we'd had the rub of green and would probably suffer for it later on which I think we did. I'd love to see the difference between the offside penalty on the first tackle when we tackled Hodgson on the goal line in the first half and the one where Hardaker was trapped in goal in the second.
Having said all that, the way Warrington controlled possession and were clinical after the Briers "knock on" was fantastic. It was like the Grand Final from last year but they just had a little bit more quality to finish us off. A well deserved win.
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