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Quote: rhino2009 "I agree with your "outs" but think we can't fill all the positions with youngsters. We are world champions and I want us to remain at the top. We need 2/3 quality, experienced signings and hopefully Gary is going to deliver?'"


He is delivering. Senior will be announced as a Signing Soon icon_mrgreen.gif

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I wouldn't let Griffin go. He looked good early doors, but has since had no game time, being selected behind a clearly knackered Peacock. Moore maybe, but he has looked to be one of our most effective forwards this year, and the nearest to a Lauititi replacement we've got.

If McShane is truly unhappy, then his departure would be for the best. As for siginings, the OOCs within SL (Millard & Elima) do solve some of our problems, but we really need to strengthen in the front row asap. TBH I think we'd need a sizable influx of players (my picks Kopczak, Moa, Elima, Bateman, Millard & Lunt) in order to be competitve at the top of SL again. Unfortunately, our policy of making minimal signings each close season has now badly backfired. Still, I think we have a strong core of youngsters in Hardaker, BJB, Watkins, Hall, Ward, Hood, Ablett & Delaney.

Still, the releasing of Luke Burgess is starting to look more and more like a bad decision.

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Quote: Tyke's/Rhinos No. 1 Fan "I wouldn't let Griffin go. He looked good early doors, but has since had no game time, being selected behind a clearly knackered Peacock. Moore maybe, but he has looked to be one of our most effective forwards this year, and the nearest to a Lauititi replacement we've got.

If McShane is truly unhappy, then his departure would be for the best. As for siginings, the OOCs within SL (Millard & Elima) do solve some of our problems, but we really need to strengthen in the front row asap. TBH I think we'd need a sizable influx of players (my picks Kopczak, Moa, Elima, Bateman, Millard & Lunt) in order to be competitve at the top of SL again. Unfortunately, our policy of making minimal signings each close season has now badly backfired. Still, I think we have a strong core of youngsters in Hardaker, BJB, Watkins, Hall, Ward, Hood, Ablett & Delaney.

Still, the releasing of Luke Burgess is starting to look more and more like a bad decision.'"



I agree with the the players you would bring in but how realistic are they to sign? For example very strong rumours that Bateman is going to Warrington and Frosties has said that Moa is going back to NRL and Millard staying at Catalan?

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "He is delivering. Senior will be announced as a Signing Soon

How very positively underwhelming is that icon_biggrin.gif

We should sign Steve Menzies and be done with it. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "Well seen as Senior will play better than any of the current "Centres" at the Rhinos, Overwhelming.....I might have to sit down.



And as for Menzies! He is playing better than most of our Forwards at present

Can't argue with the Menzies retort......Muddleton_boner (for Senior) icon_lol.gif h025.gif curtain.gif

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So if we think the pack needs refreshing then who goes out of Peacock, Kylie, Griffin, Moore, Bailey, Kirke. I would suggest of those listed 2 have to go for any refreshing to be effective. My selection would be Kirke and Kylie both of which would cost.
If we are bringing on players then Elima and Kopczak and Amor would be good. I would also aggressively go after Tim Smith who I think is OOC at Wakefield and would release Sinfield back into LF. Stevie Ward would get another year or so to develop to become a regular at either LF or SO.
Luke Burgess was only released early. He always intended going to Australia so there was nothing we could do to keep him so there was no decision to make that could be construed as being bad.

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Quote: Rhino Bucs "So if we think the pack needs refreshing then who goes out of Peacock, Kylie, Griffin, Moore, Bailey, Kirke. I would suggest of those listed 2 have to go for any refreshing to be effective. My selection would be Kirke and Kylie both of which would cost.
If we are bringing on players then Elima and Kopczak and Amor would be good. I would also aggressively go after Tim Smith who I think is OOC at Wakefield and would release Sinfield back into LF. Stevie Ward would get another year or so to develop to become a regular at either LF or SO.
Luke Burgess was only released early. He always intended going to Australia so there was nothing we could do to keep him so there was no decision to make that could be construed as being bad.'"



You are joking about going after Tim Smith,surely we can do better than that?

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The last thing we need is another half back. We already have 3 and don't know what to do with them.
I'd love to see Elima at Leeds, yes he gives penalties away but he runs hard and provides aggression to the backrow, something we are lacking. The only other move in the forwrds I think we need to make is to bring Amor back. He can take over some of Peacock & Leuluai's workload, both of whom I still think have something to offer just in shorter game time and not as the clubs primary props anymore.
In the backs, the best move would probably be a centre. I'd be fairly happy with Millard if he's available. Then Hardaker to full back would be my choice.
In the halves I'd go with Ward & McGuire, Sinfield back to LF but able to cover stand off to allow for Ward's development. Burrow off the bench at hooker.

As for hooker, it depends what the plan is for McShane. If he's not in the plans then I think Lunt is a perfectly adequate hooker.

As for players to leave, well I wouldn't be too upset to see Smith leave, although I'd happily keep him if he's happy to be a backup. Same goes for Kirke.
Obviously Webb is off anyway so should free up a decent salary cap chunk.
Unsure about Hauraki, sometimes he looks good, others I barely know he's on the pitch. Would be tempted to let him go, cap/contract permitting.

I don't think we need too much of a clearout, more a re-defining of players importance in the squad and their roles.

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Quote: nantwichexile "Can't argue with the Menzies retort......Muddleton_boner (for Senior)
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Quote: rhino2009 "You are joking about going after Tim Smith,surely we can do better than that?'"


He's playing a hell of a sight better than our current SO!

Surely we can do better than that!!

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Quote: Middleton_Loiner "Can't argue with the Menzies retort......Muddleton_boner (for Senior)
NantwichEjaculate (over the Kids)
I agree with your suggested "ins" and "outs". I think all the players are OOC and hopefully GH agrees!

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Out: Head-Coach and his acolytes.

In: An outsider who can instill some discipline, pride and a game-plan.

That's the starting point, IMO. Without doing that first the rest is akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

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Quote: tvoc "Out


I concur....but are the acolytes not headed up by the CEO ?

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I don't think the CEO will be going anywhere unless he decides to. I just accept that situation as a non-negotiable point of fact.

He provides the coach with a squad and the squad with a coach. Getting the correct blend is the all important part.

Smith at Leeds (2004) took over more or less the same squad as Powell had, Maguire at Wigan (2010) got more or less the same squad as Noble.

The results and performance levels achieved were markedly improved by having the right coach in place. A coach the players listened to because they could see he had a plan, he knew where he wanted to go and he knew how to get there.

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