You do know your avatar was gay don't you?

The difference is that I believe that homosexual activity is sinful, not the inclination. You can't act black, or Asian, or brain damaged, but you can knowingly choose to engage in homosexual relations, which is what Christians have a problem with. Not everyone feels this way of course, I accept that, but that is the Christian position.

The greatest swindle of the last century is the elevation of homosexuality to parity with heterosexual marriage. I believe that homosexuality is not an equal sexual 'orientation' and that it ought to be classed as a sexual immorality.

Of course I should reiterate that no gay person deserves to be bullied, threatened or hurt because of how they feel. "Hate the sin, not the sinner" is such a cliche but it is very true. I will therefore stand up for my right to tell such people what I think is best for them - after all, that's what the Bible tells us to do.

Your right is absolute.

Homosexual "marriage" is of course not an option, yet, but this country led most of the world in recognising that homosexual couples should be given some legal entity and that is all that the civil registry ceremony offers, a legal title.

.... And there lies the key. Why such reverence for a book written by scientifically unenlightened men ?
Which version of the bible incidentally ? And do YOU take it all literally or are you selective with it so that it sits better with your own personal comfort or agenda ?

Anyways each to their own....

.....as for the chimps, as long as there is mutual adult ~consent~ go for it

What has science got to do with it?

I do take what could be labelled as a 'literal stance' on the Bible, but it is actually impossible to read the whole thing literally. The Bible is a compendium of many books, of different genres, written by different authors over 1500 years. For example, the NT uses a lot of imagery and metaphorical language, (especially the Book of Revelation, which is just mindbending stuff if taken literally) and when John referred to the 'lamb' it is clear that he was not referring to a literal animal, but Jesus Christ.

A good Bible believing church can help guide you through Bible study, if you're interested in this sort of thing.

Its actually quite a good book to read, as a historical book, I find myself sitting around in hotel rooms from time to time (quite legitimately I add) and sometimes idly flick through the Gideons book that seems to be obligatory in most hotels (what do muslims think of that ?), you can actually find some interesting stories in there.

Incidently my wife works in a hotel and their group is driven by what idiots write on TripAdvisor (personally I'd ignore most of the rubbish that gets put on there), the other day someone gave the hotel a one star rating because there was no bible in the room, FFS, if you're so desperate and upset at no access to a bible then bring your f'kin own with you.

What a load of nonsense. As an active Christian with a gay spouse, I find these attitudes offensive. You are as likely to change your race or any disabality you may have through the Holy Spirit as you are your sexual inclination.

Well done to the club for supporting any campaign to combat such archaic thought.

The likelihood of something happening is not relevant. In any case, the Bible does not command us to change our inclination, but to resist temptation. As a Christian, you should know that homosexual acts are sinful. I'm not saying this out of hate, but love (Ephesians 4

People are free to believe whatever they want. I really do hope that the club is not going to enforce the 21st Century, politically correct dogma of telling people what to think.

Like I said in a previous post, bullying is not on. But the club (and the government) cannot tell people what to think.

Simply science continues to compell bible believers to wriggle and reinterpret their dogma.

Thanks for the offer but I prefer to read books on evolution, geology and other such factual books. Jejune stories about Noah and his ilk I prefer to leave to others.

You object to equal status for homosexuals I object to state, tax funded catholic schools presenting books to impressionable kids that make statements like " we know " that god made us and the earth.
My primary school teacher, wife, struggles every day with that one and tends to insert the more accurate " some believe ".

And yes ....securing a job was the motivation rather than "supporting the catholic ethos ".... Our taxes should not be used for such, or any other, indoctrination.

Will you attend any games where the shirt is worn ?

I think you're both looking at things too literally. Perhaps read the bible stories as just that. As McF has said, Kings and Queens have and still do use religion to control the masses. Why do you think it's called the King James Bible?

The stories of Jesus' are moral ways of living. The underlying theme is to treat other people how you wish to be treated - equally, with love, respect and forgiveness. Matthew 25: 31-46 sets the bar to what is morally right. The fact that the bar is compared against Jesus is only because he was revered. Personally, I think it's more about being at peace with ones self and others and leading a moral life, rather than entering the gates of heaven.

Apply this theory to people of any sexual orientation and you should be quite happy to let it be.

Whether people are born gay, or choose to be gay is a difficult one. I don't think people are born gay. I think childhood is a very influential time and can affect much more than just the sexual orientation of somebody.

Well that's me up the Kyber pass on Boxing Day. Not only will I not be able to wear my new Champions limited editions shirt, I won't be able to indulge in my usual growler and peas with mint sauce from the Wilsons van! Furthermore I'm going to be looking like a cross between JJB anf Eric Grothe Snr come Grand Final. Pesky religion.