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Quote: Omar Little "I've supported Leeds RL for over 20 years now and, despite a few false dawns, we were crap for the first 15 or so ...it was the false dawns that really hurt...In the words of John Cleese "I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand."

I genuinely struggle to pick my worst moment...Offiah's 10 tries, The Jonathan Davies Regal Trophy (92?), the 1995 premiership final [size(Actually, I think this might be the one)[/size, the whole of the first superleague season...I could go on.

One thing I do remember though is how little most Wigan fans appreciated what they had back then - they'd leave Wembley after another win with barely a smile on their face...my one consolation was always that when (actually it was more if) we won something we'd really really appreciate it - and did we ever in 1999 and then even more in 2004.

Maybe its time we regained some perspective.

We've just seen the greatest period in our clubs history...ok it might now take us a couple of transition years to be back challenging but that's life and boy has it been worth it!'"


I read this as “we were sh*t for ages but have had a little success of late but looks like we’re back to being sh*t – true fans shouldn’t complain about being sh*t and should just bend over and take it up the ar[sizes[/sizee because that’s what true fans do, if you p[sizei[/sizess and moan about constantly losing then you’re a Whino”

Sorry mate but I want success and call me a fekkin’ Whino if you like but I’m not happy with the poor performances that are getting served up right now and feel that my season ticket has bought me the right to voice my opinion.

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Quote: Fat Boy "I read this as “we were sh*t for ages but have had a little success of late but looks like we’re back to being sh*t – true fans shouldn’t complain about being sh*t and should just bend over and take it up the ar[sizes[/sizee because that’s what true fans do, if you p[sizei[/sizess and moan about constantly losing then you’re a Whino”

Sorry mate but I want success and call me a fekkin’ Whino if you like but I’m not happy with the poor performances that are getting served up right now and feel that my season ticket has bought me the right to voice my opinion.'"


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Quote: Sal Paradise "I completely disagree - look back in fondness is great when you think about your kids. This is pro sport, just because the club was poorly run, underachieved - in part due to Wigan having a full time squad - in the past is no justification for what is happening now.

I bet Alex Ferguson doesn't look back and think we were crap in the 70's and the 80's but we have been pretty successful since let's accept a couple of lean years - his hunger for success will be as strong now as it was when he first started in management.

Top people drive for constant improvement - a lack of which is seen as failure.'"


Oh come off it thats a nonsensical comparison - Manchester United are the richest football club in the world and compete in a non-salary capped sport with annual promotion and regulation that results in an entirely uneven playing field. Their wage bill is about twice that of the PL average and only 4 other clubs can possibly compete (Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool) - of those two one has only been at the party for two years (Man City) and one has been hampered by massive investment in their ground (Arsenal) and another has been unable to compete for years through the general incompetence of their previous owners (Liverpool).

If you want to compare to SL then the Champions League is a better comparison (thanks to the 3/4 teams per country the really big clubs are essentially guaranteed a place every year and their is a bigger spread of clubs with similar financial clout)...Man Utd have won it twice under Ferguson and been finalists twice (if we're generous and begin counting when the CL was extended that's in a 14 year period)...a fair few lean years there.

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You miss the point totally. It's not about money,it's about consistently updating the squad with fresh talent, not keeping players too long.in football terms we have done a revie, letting the bulk get old together. Much as I detest the scum ferguson is a master of keeping his team challenging while always looking to the future, being loyal but ruthless when needed. Red nosed scum bstsrd. He is

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Quote: tad rhino "You miss the point totally. It's not about money,it's about consistently updating the squad with fresh talent, not keeping players too long.in football terms we have done a revie, letting the bulk get old together. Much as I detest the scum ferguson is a master of keeping his team challenging while always looking to the future, being loyal but ruthless when needed. Red nosed scum bstsrd. He is'"


I'm not missing the point at all - frankly you are.

I highlight the money to show why the comparison is poor but even so Man utd don't prove the point you're trying to make.

As you say Ferguson is very good at breaking up teams and re-building but can he do it without some lean years...can he hell. He's the opposite of our situation but on several occasions hes ofloaded players too early (Stam, Van Nistolroy, Beckham...etc) and as a result they've had lean years even through this dominant period of their history (although ultimately in the longer terms he's tended to be proved right).

The fact is all sport is cyclic - it's easier to minimise the effect in a non salary capped sport where your clubs turnover, profit (pre glaziers at least) and wages are multiple times that of your average competitor but even manchester united can't avoid it so what hope do we have.

One other key distinction - Man Utd have a vast squad and keep and buy up promising kids years before they "make it"...we're forced to do the opposite - keep our squad size limited and release all but the best kids that come through the academy system.

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To me it doesn't matter greatly if we are winning trophies or not, we've done that and it was great, but I don't personally go or watch because I am hell bent on us winning the CC or SL. I go to games to watch good rugby, by Leeds or whoever we are playing, and to see Leeds perform to their potential.

This year I have seen a fair bit of good rugby, even a little from Leeds. I am yet to see Leeds perform to their potential for 80 mins in any game this season, hence my current level of disappointment. We have known how this team will age and perform for a few years now, and the management haven't changed enough players in the last couple of year IMO, and we have made a poor decision regarding the coaching team. IMO opinion this situation started when we failed to take care about the league season results, opting to time our run to the GF. I believe you can do both, with the correct application.

If we were to sit back and accept the current situation without voicing concern, perferring to look back through rose tinted glasses at the successes of recent years, whilst others are improving their playing staff and coaching options, then we deserve all we get as fans.

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Whinos or Loyal Loiners?

Can't be the latter. Only Catalans and Quins have brought less fans to the DW than Leeds did on Friday.

Pathetic away support.

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Quote: Bridger "Whinos or Loyal Loiners?

Can't be the latter. Only Catalans and Quins have brought less fans to the DW than Leeds did on Friday.

Pathetic away support.'"


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I just wish there was a supermarket around here that would build us a new ground on a retail park icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: BillyRhino " If you don't visit the Club shop and buy the latest away strip should you be publicly shunned?'"


No, you should be shunned for WEARING the current away strip ... Bloody pink, I ask you.

A disgrace to our club's history and just the sort of thing that happens when you fall to 'player power' and let them vote / decide how things are run.

That constant humming sound you can hear in the distance is the sound of many a great Loiner SPINNING in their final resting places.

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Quote: tad rhino "You miss the point totally. It's not about money,it's about consistently updating the squad with fresh talent, not keeping players too long.in football terms we have done a revie, letting the bulk get old together. Much as I detest the scum ferguson is a master of keeping his team challenging while always looking to the future, being loyal but ruthless when needed. Red nosed scum bstsrd. He is'"


If you remember Wigan in the late 80s, there was rarely a player retained at Central Park over the age of about 30, regardless of who they were.

During most of those times, Leeds were then daft enough to go give them a contract for another couple of seasons. Wane, Gregory, Goodway etc. It could even be argued that Hanley was past his best when Leeds paid big money for him ...

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Quote: McLaren_Field "He probably did, every last one of them.
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Nah, Sesame Street has only got up to THREE and the letter L in Wigan ...

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Just think of it as our 'Brian Noble' era ...

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