I agree with all the point you have raised however when you do pay at the turnstiles you are allowed your say, and as appose to the well paid people who have made a signing for a few years with potential some who have turned up to the game and are mainly interested in the hear and now not long term

Wigan had 16 players who played first team this season who came through the academy, including eight in the Grand Final.

The Wigan academy produced seven players in the team that beat the Aussies.

The Wigan U20 won their third Grand Final in a row.

Looks o.k. to me.

Do you want to talk about Leeds academy over the past three years?

I wouldn't call Disko a cast-off.

Most Leeds supporters who I know are quite sad to see him leave.

I never said it was bad, you do have a good youth system. just pointed out that those figures for good youth don't seem to get a massive chance in your back line. Even tomkins only got his cance because of a injured Aussies

I don't think they are. Most wish him well as he was a good servant to the club, but I can't say I know many people who think it's the end of the world. I for one am quite happy he has gone but wish him well

You are allowed your say of course and paying at the turnstiles has nothing to do with that, however don't lose sight of the fact that your (and others) opinion is based on hearsay, assumptions and pure finger-in-the-air guesswork, only the professionals, and there may only be a very few of those, know the truth.

ive seen him play for wigan and i must say i would have signed him

I was agreeing with your point!!! Most of us don't know the plans, etc for the future etc and only a few at the club probably do.

I've never heard of him, far less see him play.

So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>

IA mode off.

But you agree that the rest are cast-offs?

Even more interesting.

Another myth perpetuated by the comic sky duo.
Sam Tomkins started more games for Wigan than Tim Smith in that 2009 season and that was before Smiths shoulder injury at HKR.

Fair enough I shall take your point on board as you watch them more than me. The main point I think is that with your current squad the majority of them probably won't get the chance in the first team, and will probably move onto other teams to get a chance

Accept Rogues point (Tomkins > Smith starts in 2009) if you wish but it is factually incorrect.