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I think two or three of Buderus, Lauitiiti, Leulaui and Webb will go next year. Depending on that I'd give Senior another year. Hopefully McShane and Ambler will break into the team next year. Peacock will stay on for another 2 years after 2011 I reckon. You never know about players like Gareth Ellis and Sam Burgess as well, if they would ever want to come back to SL then I'm sure we'd be in for them.

A prop is priority next year IMO, we seem to rely too much on Peacock as yesterday showed as well as the fact that Leulaui will probably be leaving at the end of 2011. I don't think we need a second rower to replace Eastwood, we have JJB, Lauitiiti, Ablett, Kirke, Clarkson, Pitts and Delaney/Senior as cover so we're alright in that area. As for the backs then if BJB and Watkins stay fit next year then their opportunities will come. Burrow, McGuire with Sinfield and Webb as back up cover the halves.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: nantwichexile "Not even with some good coaching ??

He isn't fast enough to be a winger long term; he is too small in stature for centre long term and BJB will take the FB position long term.

He DOES have the ability to do something different and is gloriously unpredictable .....and alongide a better organiser and 'leader' (McGuire) as his half back partner I still believe it's worth a punt. If it doesn't work out then so what ....if we make it the season of transition and low expectations that is surely coming.'"


No.

He's been quick enough to do a good job, primarily on the wing for the last 4 years. I think that is fine as a long term solution. I don't see him as a centre but size isn't everything - ask Brad Godden.

The problem with your last paragraph is that McGuire is our player who can do something different and is gloriously unpredictable. He is not a great organiser and would benefit from having a good organiser alongside him, not another player like himself.

We will have to make transitions but expectations will not necessarily be lowered.

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Quote: nantwichexile "See comments ref Smith elsewhere.

Hall would make a damn good centre IMO to complement Watkins in the other centre berth....and Delaney would effectively replace Eastwood (a BIG loss) next season... thus making no difference in the "shedloads" back row situation.

Has this season not shown that this is the area where you need the said shedloads with the much more probable frequent injuries to contend with ?'"


Hall doesnt have the hands for a class centre and is far better where he is..........why even contemplate moving a lad who is a top notch wingman??

Smith has not the distribution skills in my opinion to be a success at stand off. He can be a very effective full back and with some speed work could still play out wide if required.

As for the back row........you can have as many back rowers as you like if they are much of a muchness. We never replaced Ellis like for like and needed to!

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Prop's the main position to look at for next year. Our dependence on Peacock has got a bit OTT now.

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Prop's the main position to look at for next year. Our dependence on Peacock has got a bit OTT now.'"


Agreed.

Bailey is only ever going to be what he is. ie. not a bigger metre maker.

Leuluai on his day offers great impact but for short periods.

Burgess looks like he is going to struggle to made the grade at the really top level for me.

Ambler has potential and next year is a massive year for him.

If we sign an experienced high level prop to complement these ad Peacock it looks really strong. Without that addition we look paper thin, especially with Peacock's age and injury to come back from

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Props mature when they're 28 onwards. Biffa has a long way to go before he reaches that age.

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Quote: Andy R "Agreed.

Bailey is only ever going to be what he is. ie. not a bigger metre maker.

Leuluai on his day offers great impact but for short periods.

Burgess looks like he is going to struggle to made the grade at the really top level for me.

Ambler has potential and next year is a massive year for him.

If we sign an experienced high level prop to complement these ad Peacock it looks really strong. Without that addition we look paper thin, especially with Peacock's age and injury to come back from'"


So who's available then?

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Quote: Andy R "Burgess looks like he is going to struggle to made the grade at the really top level for me.'"


Sadly have to sway towards thinking you are correct on this one too icon_confused.gif

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: Sam Buca "Props mature when they're 28 onwards. Biffa has a long way to go before he reaches that age.'"


That's a great line that is always thrown out but it's not always the case. Players like Moz and JP who played 2nd row as youngsters develop as props more as they get older.

I can't see a player like James Graham improving that much as he reaches 28.

It could be argued Danny Ward and Ryan Bailey were at their best in 2004/5 when they were much younger than 28.

I see weaknesses in Luke's game that haven't improved since he broke into the first team. He not in the same class as Nick Scruton and come contract renewal time I wouldn't be surprised to see him looking elsewhere

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[quote="G1":1x8x7ghm]Nice one Andy. You articulated a differing opinion given reasons and substance. There's really no place for the likes of you on Substandard. :wink:[/quote:1x8x7ghm]:7098.jpg



Quote: cheekydiddles "So who's available then?'"


I don't know but I'm sure there'll be an NRL expert on here who can reel off a list of names

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Dont get me wrong, i think Burgess is looking average now. Your James Grahams dont come around often, he is a machine but i agree he wont improve. Bails has had a great season this year and for me he will keep improving.

The good thing about Burgess is he has time on his hands.

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Quote: Sam Buca "Dont get me wrong, i think Burgess is looking average now. Your James Grahams dont come around often, he is a machine but i agree he wont improve. Bails has had a great season this year and for me he will keep improving.

The good thing about Burgess is he has time on his hands.'"


Time on his hands is Ok but he struggles to keep the ball in his hands too often for my liking. He is also pretty poor defensively and gets caught flat footed far too often.

I love him to prove me wrong and will support him whenever he's in a Leeds shirt but I'm not sure how much improvement is in him.

Bails has had his best year since 2005 - I'm not sure he's been better than he was then. I don't see him improving much more, just maintaining a similar reliable high standard

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The thing with Burgess imo is that he's suffered with the dreaded "2nd season syndrome" although the same mistakes are happening time and again.
Given his age though i'm not ready to give up on the lad and i fully expect some improvement when Brian Mc gets here who as we all know was a no frills smash them prop.

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We need to sign a proven prop with good go forward now. JP may struggle to overcome his serious injury and Biffa may go downunder. Ambler has shown good prospects and should be in the side next week.

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Quote: Andy R "No.

He's been quick enough to do a good job, primarily on the wing for the last 4 years. I think that is fine as a long term solution. I don't see him as a centre but size isn't everything - ask Brad Godden.

The problem with your last paragraph is that McGuire is our player who can do something different and is gloriously unpredictable. He is not a great organiser and would benefit from having a good organiser alongside him, not another player like himself.

We will have to make transitions but expectations will not necessarily be lowered.'"


We'll see icon_wink.gif

Have to agree with you ref Burgess and Ambler. The former seems to have gone 'backwards' this season.....and for a while I have advocated giving Ambler more opportuntities/game time: he should certainly be above Burgess and Kirke in the pecking order.

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