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We have enough young players with talent to rebuild from within to some degree. Watkins, BJB, Pitts, Ambler, Clarkson, could all find themselves getting more and more game time. I think it would be prudent to seriously start looking at how we replace Senior, Peacock, Ali, Donald and a few other vets in the side.

Next year would be the time to do it. Next year we could look to recruit a couple of quality quota players for 2012, and maybe splash some cash on a couple of good domestic signings - again for 2012. We tend to assume these days that British players don't move from one big club to another, but if the inducement and the timing is right then you can recruit the likes of Peacock.

But then again I don't have a crystal ball, so it's just a guess.'"

I think the fact that we retained the squad for next season points to that approach mate.

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Quote: Matt23 "AL I take your points and accept your opinions. Hall's general play was very good as it has been for the last season and a half now, however I cannot say that he had a good game when he bombed 2 tries. The lad puts his body on the line for this club week in week out and has regularly played injured (Wire away 2 weeks ago). I'll forgive him a couple of bombed tries especially as he took us forward well but I cannot say that in my opinion it was one of his better games.

As for Bailey I have been a critic in the past, G1 will have you believe that Bailey has always played to the standard he is now seeting over the last few weeks, whereas IMO he's really stepped his game up a level this season, and is turning into the forward I thought he'd be following his academy career.'"


cheers matt. I agree with your asessment of bailey. I have always thought he was a valuable member of the squad.

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Haven't seen the KR game yet, but as far as defence goes it was generally woeful the week before vs Sts. Even without two halfbacks they were regularly making 50 yards plus in a set with forward drives and dummy-half scoots. Leeds never looked remotely like controlling the PTB.

This is another result which again suggests to me that Leeds are generally 'up' for some games and less so for others. It may get us a CC but unless we add some steel in defence and start to play more consistently I can't see us challenging for the Championship at the end of the year.

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This team should have been wiped at the end of last year. if this team wins anything this year then they are counted as lucky. Trying to carry this side over to next year is laughable at best and anyone who supports this recruitment policy is a complete fool.

This team will struggle to win anything this year never mind next year.

Step forward you puddings!

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Quote: DHM "Sort of.
We have enough young players with talent to rebuild from within to some degree. Watkins, BJB, Pitts, Ambler, Clarkson, could all find themselves getting more and more game time. I think it would be prudent to seriously start looking at how we replace Senior, Peacock, Ali, Donald and a few other vets in the side.

Next year would be the time to do it. Next year we could look to recruit a couple of quality quota players for 2012, and maybe splash some cash on a couple of good domestic signings - again for 2012. We tend to assume these days that British players don't move from one big club to another, but if the inducement and the timing is right then you can recruit the likes of Peacock.

But then again I don't have a crystal ball, so it's just a guess.'"


We are a year behind IMO, we should have been doing this for next year, not the year after.

It doesn't take a crystal ball, you only have to take off the tinted specs and smell the coffee to see a lot of these senior players are done.

Re-signing Senior, Donald, and Ali for next year was poor management IMO.

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Quote: Gotcha "

Re-signing Senior, Donald, and Ali for next year was poor management IMO.'"


It's certainly a valid point of view, but I'm prepared to adopt a wait and see policy on this. A lot of people (myself included at times) thought Keith was done a couple of seasons ago, but he has proved otherwise. Hopefully, he and others can continue to do so.

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Quote: Gotcha "Of course. I have always maintained we would do it this year. But am totally convinced some of these senior players are approaching their end, certainly at this club, and next year will be too far.'"


It's only natural that the senior players will start slowing down at some point but to go from winning four titles in a row to not making the top six the next season is harsh.

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Quote: Tony Soprano "It's only natural that the senior players will start slowing down at some point but to go from winning four titles in a row to not making the top six the next season is harsh.'"


How? we will be lucky to get 5th this year in the league. So why would it be harsh to drop a couple of spots next year?

I thought you were on the badwagon that these players had 3 or 4 years yet anyway?

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I thought, Ambler, Burrow & Delaney all played well but the rest were average to poor with Sinfield, Hall & especially Smith having bad games.

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Quote: Gotcha "How? we will be lucky to get 5th this year in the league. So why would it be harsh to drop a couple of spots next year?

I thought you were on the badwagon that these players had 3 or 4 years yet anyway?'"


Badwagon? that sounds fun icon_biggrin.gif

I do think McGuire, Burrow, Sinfield have another 3-4 years in them, that's just my opinion, I never said anything about Senior, Donald & Ali still doing it in 3-4 years as they are all that bit older.

I expect us to finish higher next year, this year we have had a lot more injuries than normal, we've also been very patchy with form but have beaten wire x2, hull x2, Wigan & Saints (all the teams above us) in the last few months, I don't think it's the end of an era just a very patchy year.

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Quote: Gotcha "How? we will be lucky to get 5th this year in the league. So why would it be harsh to drop a couple of spots next year?

I thought you were on the badwagon that these players had 3 or 4 years yet anyway?'"


I think our most likely spot is 4th, with 3rd still possible. Can't see us losing more games than the teams below us TBH

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Quote: Tony Soprano "Badwagon? that sounds fun
Honest question here, who would you say are our top 5 performers this year?

I personally would say, Peacock, Buderus, Kylie, Eastwood, ( I couldn't say with some confidence a 5th, but have been suprised by Ambler).

Peacock, Buderus, Kylie are all at the back end of their careers. Buderus and Kylie won't be here for 2012, and you will probably need a wheelchair and stairlift to keep Peacock going. That does not fill me with confidence for next year.

Eastwood if rumours come true wont be here either. IMO that's 4 of this years top performers declining, not going forward.

I make no secret of my admiration for Sinfield, none whatsover, but this has been by far and away his worst season personally, since he made his debut. This is a player that I consider we can not win without, yet his decline this year is signifcant. Not finished, but declined.

Of the other regular players, IMO only Bailey can say with some confidence that he has had a better season individually than the previous one.

What is it that makes you so confident that these players can not only get back to what they were for next year, but can actually improve, which is what you are relying on?

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Quote: Gotcha "We are a year behind IMO, we should have been doing this for next year, not the year after.

It doesn't take a crystal ball, you only have to take off the tinted specs and smell the coffee to see a lot of these senior players are done.

Re-signing Senior, Donald, and Ali for next year was poor management IMO.'"


I think given the talk of teamspirit and loyalty at the end of last season, it needs to work both ways. It doesn't send out a good message to say we want you to play for this club for less than you could get elsewhere for the prime of your career, then we'll bin you once you start to get old.

there's more to building a successful team than getting the most talented group of players together

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Quote: leicester_rhino "I think given the talk of teamspirit and loyalty at the end of last season, it needs to work both ways. It doesn't send out a good message to say we want you to play for this club for less than you could get elsewhere for the prime of your career, then we'll bin you once you start to get old.

there's more to building a successful team than getting the most talented group of players together'"


It's a fair point. But the club are in the entertainment business, not a charity.

Will they therefore be honest enough to tell the fans and the sponsors that unfortunately in order to reward players for previous achievements we will have to accept a huge decline in what we will produce for a couple of years?

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Quote: Gotcha "What is it that makes you so confident that these players can not only get back to what they were for next year, but can actually improve, which is what you are relying on?'"


I don't think they need to improve as they are already good enough to win it as proved over the last few years, I think they need to get back to our "normal" form and players can suffer periods of poor form and return without it being terminal decline. I also think that it's very hard to keep up the same consistent level of performance for 4 seasons especially when the side has been so unsettled with injuries.

No doubt that many of our players have been poor this year but IMO the outlook is not as dark as some think.

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