More info on the Johns incident.. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

More info on the Johns incident.. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

If you can point out exactly what i said, which you interpreted as a hissy fit i'd appreciate it...im very confused


Im not sure what you are implying when you say 'you seem like one of those people i had to debate before.' Care to elaborate?
You werent being diplomatic, you said someone else was wrong because they agreed with the general consensus of the definition of racism (i.e. they agree with the likes of the national curriculum, and oed), rather than agreeing with the definition of racism you were taught. You shouldnt have stated this, end of story, im not sure why you are trying to make it into an argument.

Wtf? do you fancy explaining why you have implied i am a racist, simply for asking what it was that Johns said? I really think you have got me wrong. I've not said anything that could even be interpreted as being racist.

how can you have your heart on your sleeve when all you have done is trot out social service guidelines as to what they consider to be racism and what is xenophobia?

you seem to want to make yourself a martyr for the cause, when there are many many many more pertinent examples worth citing, like timana tahu's and greg inglis' reactions to andrew johns racist behaviour.

to bring this thread back to the topic you wanted to discuss this morning, why do you feel that racism/casual racism/socialised racism is more wide spread in australia than the UK, the US, mainland Europe or most other nations?

So let me get this right, WTID quotes from the the national curriculum and the OED on their definition of racism and you call him some kind of nazi.
You on the other hand say it's ok for people of ethnic minorities to say what they like because the social service department you worked in was in an ethnic stronghold.

You are aware the definitions used in the national curriculum arent just dreamt up by someone in whitehall, they generally use official definitions (for example all definitions from used in the national curriculum for PE are from the W.H.O). Anyway, this is irrelevant, the national curriculum wasnt the only source i quoted, i aslo quoted the OED, i assume you ignored this fact in a blatant attempt by you to detract away from the fact that you cannot defend your position.


Where do you start? well you could start by answering my questions. You seem to either be an idiot, or to be purposely ignoring my questions(i presume this is the case, as you know you are wrong, but dont have the balls to admit it) so i'll make it easy for you.

1) Why do you feel you are qualified to call someone wrong, because they agree with the definition of racism used by the rlthe U.N.rl, rlthe Oxford English Dictionaryrl, rlThe European Parliamentrl, and the vast majority of the public? Do you accept that you were wrong to do this?

2) Can you please justify why you responded to a post of mine, which wasnt racist in the slightest, by calling me a racist?

(im glad some of the other posters on here have seen right through you, and haven't fallen for your bull$hit tactics of dodging my questions, and calling me a racist, in response to a post which wasnt at all couldnt at all be interpreted (by a rational person) as racist)

I don't! You have grouped various points of view I have given and tried to role them into one. Why do you need such a vast subject pinning down? I am againast racsim on all levels! I'm not sure what your angle is?

I am distgusted by racism! If you want to mock me for this with my comment then do so! the reason why I question the county in question is that it is direct to the sport that 99.99% of topic Discussed on these boards is about!
I'm really not sure why you have such a problem with me or the subject?

my point was that racism exists everywhere, not just in Australia as the thread title suggests. and that was the basis of my initial reply.

i started by asking why you thought that casual racism was something that was exclusive to Australia. to balance this i offered an example of my own experience (emile heskey).

you then accused me of being part of the problem, which i took exception to.

you then accussed someone else of being a nazi because they challenged your conception of racism, whilst offering their own, which several people took exception to.

i then tried to bring the topic back to the beginning by arguing that the racism you had highlighted (timanu tahus reaction to andrew johns racially abusing greg inglis) happens in england.

this thread literally has gone nowhere, which is a shame as you are clearly very passionate about the subject. however your over zealousness to demonstarte your anti-racist stance has hindered the debate, or lack there of.

to be honest we probably share very similar viewws, but it is the way you choose to offer these views that im currently having a problem with.

This is very easy! Ask yourself why you argue my point! And then ask some people who are in the minority and who are activists where the land lies!

I gave you very simple grounds for why a minority can't be racist! I don't see what I have to answer as I already gave a full opinion! And you think i am wrong or the opinion is fauls I can introduce you to people who would be happy to give you far more facts than I can off the top of my head!

I have no other motivation than equality.

Well if you have a problem with me fair enough! If you have a problem with what I post regarding others fair enough!

I didn't question you at all apart from you talikng about your work place! Which sounds a nightmare

as I said I talk about oz because I spend so much time there it's central to the sport these boards are based on?

Being.

I used to work with a black fella who introduced himself as chalky, was he racist?

I now work with Greek australians who call each other s but if a white chap does they play up.

Australians alson have a cheese named coon.

Why do i argue your point? maybe it has something to do with the fact that i dont like people falsely telling others they are incorrect, there are few things more annoying to me than an ignorant 'know it all' The only reason we are still arguing is because you seem unable to own up to the blatantly obvious fact that you were wrong.
Your next sentence is nonesensical , if you fancy re-phrasing it in English, i may be able to respond No you didnt, you said that by other posters, not agreing with what you have being taught, they were wrong. This is what people are taking exception to.
I would have no issue with someone stating: i was taught x, y and z. You however said: you are incorrect, i know i am right because i was taught x, y and z. There is a massive difference (especially when, as is in this case, all the evidence points to x,y and z not being true)
What line was i peddling which you didnt like? which line was i peddeing which led to you calling me a nazi?
Why are you again changing the subject and claiming my posts have a common feel to them?
(how can they have a common feel to them? do you often tell people they are wrong, for using the correct definition of a word, and then adamently stick to your statement, without using any evdence to back it up, ultimately resorting to dodging questions left right and centre, and calling people nazi's. If so, then i can see why responses to you have this 'feel' to them... its the ' why the hell am i trying to debate a moron' feel)