True. You can only use the old clliche of ''trophies are won in X not Y'' for so long before you get to stage where it's a case of - we just aren't that good this season guys.

Clarke was incredible yesterday.

I can't believe nobody on the commentary team pulled him on his "WIgan won't concede another point. They're too mentally tough" BS. Of course, he was wrong and his beloved invincibles did concede another point.

He'd declared WIgans as the best performance of the weekend and you could almost see the tear in his eye as Saints came out and bettered it.

Its nice to see Saints fans have already started celebrating winning the league


didn't they do is in 2007,2008,2008 as well?

Enjoy the bragging rights while they last FFS rather than being a killjoy all your life. Saints and other fans rubbed our noses in it for 30 years yet all you do when we have our moment is to play down our achievements. As it stands we don't look as good as previous seasons, no. But previous seasons should also tell you to just wait and see how things pan out first. Saints, Wigan and Warrington fans would be wise to do the same.

Aren't you the character I took £50 off back in 2007?

I never said the best team had lost on any occasion. That was safeways saint and his ''mystery performance'' rubbish. Unless you can provide evidence of those posts I think you're wrongly accusing me. Funny you mention tad. After the wigan game at easter in 07 he posted along the lines of ''toopi.....just f*ck off''. Yeah, that's great support.

4th is a realistic expectation now and i think most would be happy with that because we can take out the title from there.

If that's what you see then you are living on another planet.

What is actually there is a bunch of fans who can't believe their team has performed the way it has over the last two matches. Most if not all Saints fans were expecting a mullering by you lot at Knowsley Road and we definitely did not expect to nil HKR - or anyone ever again. Our first half yesterday was played without one handling error and without one missed tackle. If we had converted all our tries, that first half would have been almost a technically perfect piece of RL AND beautiful to watch. Now there is no way I or most Saints fans would have believed that possible from Saints a couple of weeks ago. We were misfiring and had been for about 18 months, regardless of where we ended up in the league or that we stumbled to the GF thanks to a dodgy decision over a Longy haul into touch against Wigan.

The reason I said to back to back to back that the 'we beat you in three grand finals' just washes over our heads these days is because sometimes there are other things which are more important. And, just now, seeing my team perform in a way I was starting to think they never would makes me feel incredibly happy and I basically couldn't give a how many times you'd beaten us in a grand final. It no longer matters!

Isn't that nice? I think so. 2.1416015625:5