Yes I did miss it. But then again it would not have changed my mind, considering the poor other 79 minutes and 58 seconds.

HTH

Hall was shocking in the first half but vastly improved in the second.

You've obviously decided that he was cr[ia[/ip regardless of any given facts.

You clearly have a balanced, informed view of the match.

HTH

Next time don't shut your eyes to pray for a win. You can do it with eyes open.

I hope your missus is as easily pleased as you.

He actually almost blew that one as well with poor technique but recovered in the nick of time.

Have you even got a missus?

Pets and dead bodies don't count...

This forum is nuts, its non stop abuse!!

DISA has long held this view on Ryan Hall. Back to the days when Hall and Smith were competing for the wing spot. I bet he still held this view when Hall was romping in for his 30-odd tries last year.

Nothing you can say or nothing Hall does will change this.

He is right though, Hall was very poor the other night

I agree, he was. having said that so were many others. I think it's purely a confidence thing. We as fans have to get behind the players and not boo them when their confidence is low.

How Kirke continues to get a game is beyond me. I trust this is purely down to resource at the moment and when everyone is fit he will not get in the 17.

However he has played at OT when we had fully fit squads so i guess bluey sees something in him.

back on topic.

I think Delaney needs time to recover from his injuries. now Smith is here perhaps he can be given that time. 2 games in 3 days is not going help him or Sinfield for that matter.

Just a thought - now Smith is back what is our first choice back 5 when all fit?

I'll go first, mine would be

Webb
Smith, Delaney, Senior, Hall

That's unfair Al, we had this by PM at the time. My view is simply and always has been that Smith is the best back at the club, and that opinion I have held for the last 4 seasons. You even came back to me and said it looks like my view was correct on Smith not that long ago.

Hall had a wonderful year last year, and it was before that that I accepted I might have been a bit critical of the lad, and took it back.

This year however, having praised him whilst doing well, it is only fair to have an opinion that is different if not doing well. Hall had a shocking game on Friday, but he was even worse last week at Wigan. But that is two weeks on the trot, following on from offering no attacking threat whatsoever so far this season.

Does this now make Hall a bad player? no it doesn't, but it does mean he should be further down the pecking order until he rediscovers his form, and whilst peforming like that open to critisism.

I know i agreed with you not too long ago about Smith. I think he has the potential to be a very important player for the club over the next 7/8 years.

I was referring to Hall though.

Whilst he has been caught out of position a bit recently and made a couple of costly handling errors, it is my opinion that he has been no worse than the majority of the team. Mcguire's defence on Nero was shocking, yet no mention of that.

I just think people tend to forget how young Hall is. No matter how well he played last season he is still only in his 3rd full year, second as a definite first choice. He is bound to make mistakes, only experience will help him iron out these errors and therefore i think he should be encouraged and not slammed.

He is one of our genuine threats with ball in hand and is capable of full lenght tries. Quite simply we are not creating chances for him at the moment. When we do i have no doubt he will score the tries and his defence will improve with the confidence gained from that.

Interesting tvoc.

I think i would use last seasons back line
Webb
Donald, Smith, Senior, Hall.

One thing is for certain when all are fit whoever misses out will be putting the pressure on to get back in and that can only be good for the club.

I think a fully fit Delaney (which I don't think we've really seen yet) will prove to be a strong, organised defender and a better winger's centre than Smith. I'd leave Senior and Hall to rediscover their partnership and form (which was Leeds' strength in the outside backs last season) and I think Webb is improving game by game at the moment at the back. That leaves me with a choice between Donald and Smith on the wing and Smith's 100% enthusiasm secures that position.

Coach tvoc could be wrong though.