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| Quote: Sherbert Dip "Looking very good for RATM. Betting suspended on Betfair with RATM as low as 1-20 and 20-1 against available on Joe Will-never-be-heard-of-ever-again!!!
I'd love to see Cowells face
Joe McElderry is on Radio 1's chart show tonight.
Cowell won't be bothered, 451,000 singles sold, all lining his pocket from Joe. He's the third most talented winner of the X Factor and I'm pretty sure he'll be successful in the future. I can't wait until next week, then I won't have to hear RATM on my radio again.
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| Happy fecking days!!!
Oh to be a fly on Cowells wall now. The people have spoken. Feck off Karaoke Factor!!!!!
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| Quote: Sherbert Dip "Happy fecking days!!!
Oh to be a fly on Cowells wall now. The people have spoken. Feck off Karaoke Factor!!!!!'"
Yeah I bet he's really bothered. He has a number of palacial houses all over the world, is absolutely loaded while those who have scuppered him are probably council house wallers.
Yup. Really bothered.
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| It is funny though.
Expect Joe to get number 1 spot next week though!
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| Quote: Gandy "It is funny though.'"
Exactly my take on it – it really doesn’t bother me one way or another but I think it’s funny.
This song will now be entered into the annals of music history as a Christmas No.1.
Try and remember the name and artist as they will undoubtedly crop up in Christmas pub quizzes in about 15 years time.
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| You know this £1m deal that the X Factor winner gets, do you know how much actually goes to the winner?
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| Quote: "Quote: "'"
Yeah I bet he's really bothered. He has a number of palacial houses all over the world, is absolutely loaded while those who have scuppered him are probably council house wallers.
Yup. Really bothered.'"'" ]
That's the reason he really will be bothered as he has everything he wants..........all except this years number 1 !!!
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| Quote: Lawrie L "You know this £1m deal that the X Factor winner gets, do you know how much actually goes to the winner?'"
£20K at a guess
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| Quote: brannyrhino "£20K at a guess'"
actually bit better (for him) £150,000
the rest of the sum is spent on marketing and work for his image....
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| Well done to the nobs who started this internet campaign.
They must be really chuffed with themselves tonight at making their point and giving us the worst Xmas No 1 since Mr Blobby.
Maybe next yeea Damo can start a campaign to get Project A to the Xmas No 1
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| Quote: Lawrie L "You know this £1m deal that the X Factor winner gets, do you know how much actually goes to the winner?'"
It depends on what is spent, and I suspect that a lot of money will have been spent already in trying to get to no 1 for christmas - didn't they drop the price of the download to 29p for this weekend ?
My cousin is a professional guitarist and has been since the early 80s when he did a lot of sessions work for all sorts of bands, most of whom were never heard of again but a typical "£1million" deal would be for an album for some fresh-faced kids, they would be put up in a rented house or apartment and spend some expensive weeks in rehearsal, then some very expensive days in a studio. They would then be taken out on tour to promote their album via shop appearances (transport, security, overnight stays) or gigs (lots of associated costs), or pay for some studio time to do some remote radio studio interviews.
For all of this time their production company would be picking up all of the bills, housing, food, security, travel, clothes - and of course if you ask an 18 year odl kid if he wants to blow a few grand in TopShop he'll snap your arm off...
...what they doesn't realise until the end of the year is that everything is accounted for and put on the tab
, that hotel room they trashed for fun, the bar bills from every outlet of Holiday Inn that they used on that UK promo tour (a lot of production companies seem to use Holiday Inn, and not the Express version either) - everything goes onto the account and just like a Ltd Company a balance sheet is drawn up at the end of the first year.
Most bands are in a deficit situation by then, their production company make sure that they are in a deficit situation, sure they've had a ball for twelve months and they have been drawing a bloody good salary from their advance for that year, but now they owe their production company - and their negotiating situation for the second album is poor, they've been promoting for a year, probably haven't written much of their own stuff (if they write at all) and all of the good stuff from their catalogue was used on the first album - the second album deal is where they really get screwed.
My cousin has a thousand stories of people you've never heard of or have forgotten long ago being screwed in this way time and time again, and every time they get a booking for another studio session they hope that the young kids they are playing for are still believing their own hype and turn up at the session very late (or not at all), still unaware that they have to pay for all the lost time.
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "It depends on what is spent, and I suspect that a lot of money will have been spent already in trying to get to no 1 for christmas - didn't they drop the price of the download to 29p for this weekend ?
My cousin is a professional guitarist and has been since the early 80s when he did a lot of sessions work for all sorts of bands, most of whom were never heard of again but a typical "£1million" deal would be for an album for some fresh-faced kids, they would be put up in a rented house or apartment and spend some expensive weeks in rehearsal, then some very expensive days in a studio. They would then be taken out on tour to promote their album via shop appearances (transport, security, overnight stays) or gigs (lots of associated costs), or pay for some studio time to do some remote radio studio interviews.
For all of this time their production company would be picking up all of the bills, housing, food, security, travel, clothes - and of course if you ask an 18 year odl kid if he wants to blow a few grand in TopShop he'll snap your arm off...
...what they doesn't realise until the end of the year is that everything is accounted for and put on the tab
, that hotel room they trashed for fun, the bar bills from every outlet of Holiday Inn that they used on that UK promo tour (a lot of production companies seem to use Holiday Inn, and not the Express version either) - everything goes onto the account and just like a Ltd Company a balance sheet is drawn up at the end of the first year.
Most bands are in a deficit situation by then, their production company make sure that they are in a deficit situation, sure they've had a ball for twelve months and they have been drawing a bloody good salary from their advance for that year, but now they owe their production company - and their negotiating situation for the second album is poor, they've been promoting for a year, probably haven't written much of their own stuff (if they write at all) and all of the good stuff from their catalogue was used on the first album - the second album deal is where they really get screwed.
My cousin has a thousand stories of people you've never heard of or have forgotten long ago being screwed in this way time and time again, and every time they get a booking for another studio session they hope that the young kids they are playing for are still believing their own hype and turn up at the session very late (or not at all), still unaware that they have to pay for all the lost time.'"
Yeah, it wasnt a great shock reading this. This figure was in the Sunday Times today as they had an interview in their News Review section with Joe ......I have forgotten his surname, well anyway they asked him what his feelings were on the fact he was getting such a small amount in reality. He didnt really give an answer and just seemed to move very quickly on to the next subject matter
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| Quote: Lawrie L "Yeah, it wasnt a great shock reading this. This figure was in the Sunday Times today as they had an interview in their News Review section with Joe ......I have forgotten his surname, well anyway they asked him what his feelings were on the fact he was getting such a small amount in reality. He didnt really give an answer and just seemed to move very quickly on to the next subject matter'"
I've forgotten his surname as well
The other thing to note about the industry is that they are very, very good at PR and do not hesitate to employ the best, and most expensive agencies - all of which only fills them full of even more bollax than usual, your well publicised "Five Album Deal" for instance will be a one album deal with options for the next four, in other words they can't leave the label if the company want them to release more material but the company can drop them like a stone at any time.
Its not new, its how the industry has worked for decades and it won't change - you only have to read what happened to the pair who were Stealers Wheel when they were huge and selling multiple millions of records, only to disappear and for it to take Gerry Rafferty five years to sort out the legal crap during which time he daren't even write a song or hum one in the bath in case it was seized and used by his former record company - his partner Joe Egan (the more talented of the two) had to wait even longer and eventually, after one incredible solo album, left the business entirely and has not written or sung another song since.
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