Tbh given their form and missing players I imagine Wane will have wanted something similar on Friday.....and they did end up in the 2nd half trying to be more like their usual "dirty" self......however even then it seemed half hearted and lacking the intensity seen previously with Wane coached teams. Even watching a replay of the game, just before kickoff when they show you them warming up they looked uninterested and not pumped up for the occasion at all......usually they're fired up and look like they've been fed raw meat all week and can't what to get stuck in.

One thing you could guarantee with Wane's Wigan is that it would always play fired up. But they didn't and it doesn't look like this was the only week they've had this issue this season. After a while a coach can start to stall at a club as he just can't get the same reaction and response from his players and it all starts to go stale......think that could be happening with Wane at Wigan. Still early days but I'm wondering if from their perspective that perhaps it should be Wane's final year in charge there and they should look for a fresh approach a new coach could bring.

Michael Mc was their captain. Leading by his example I presume.

You can get by on shouting, passion and the ability of your players for so long. Eventually, you start to need some actual coaching ability.

I'm not convinced Wane has it. IMO he was there to be Madge's "bad cop" and enforcer around the dressing room, and doesn't look cut out to progress the club which is going through a bit of transition at the minute.

From the games I've seen of him this season, he seems to have calmed down a bit. Even when a bit of handbags flared up when they played Widnes, he didn't go steaming in looking to knock anyone's head off.

Maybe he's finally learned his lesson?

Maybe they no longer believe in the Wane way. Yeah, they've dished out some pain over the last couple of years but you're not telling me that they haven't had any inflicted on them. Perhaps the tough option no longer appeals when it's in a losing cause.

i think Danny Mags' 2 black eyes tell you all you need to know about wigans tactics

Leeds played rugby against Wigan and won. nuff said.

Wane is a bully. I think some of his own players are sick of his approach.

Thats why they aren't playing for him anymore.

There was a thread recently, I think from Charnley, saying that their training regime has been taken to new levels of brutality under Wane & they smash each other to pieces. Wane is very scientific in his approach & preparation.

This. The constant levels of aggression Wane managed to get into his team will only work for a limited time. Its very very much dependent on the players have a huge amount of faith in and loyalty to Wane. If that faith and loyalty starts to wane ( ) then so does the entire on-field strategy.

Has Wane been coaching Steven Gerrard?

Well this thread seems to be pie free maybe it's because they lost and aren't doing well that's keeping them away

They walk a thin line between niggly and cowardly, the latter not acceptable the prior being a decent trait.

Similar thing happened to us under Bluey.A one dimensional approach can have a great effect for a period if everyone buys into it but if not things can fall apart at the seams rather quickly as maybe happening at Wigan.

Still early days in the season and things can turn around quickly but it does appear that things are begining to unravel for Wane and Wigan.