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| Is it pink again?
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| Anyone who thinks they can get rid of institutionalised 'homophobia' (I really do hate that term) has had too much powder up their nose.
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| Quote: leicester_rhino "Is it pink again?'"
Yes, but with the sponsors and badges is sequins.... We'll look like a right set of nancy boys. CoooEeee
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| I think it’s a great idea for two reasons. The first reason is its great to see a big club promoting that homophobia is not good. I remember working with a lad that was out but daren't come out at work because he didn’t know how his colleagues would treat him. It’s a bloody disgrace when someone feels afraid to be themselves. Hopefully Leeds can raise awareness as the government tackles racism and disability discrimination on all fronts but this issue always seems to be third or forth in line.
From a purely business and financial view which is very naive but we are a business, there is a lot of money to be made from the pink pound. There is a large gay community in Leeds and it'd be great if they were encouraged to come to the game.
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| Wonder if we'll wear it at Castleford away?!
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| Quote: bewildered "I think it’s a great idea for two reasons. The first reason is its great to see a big club promoting that homophobia is not good. I remember working with a lad that was out but daren't come out at work because he didn’t know how his colleagues would treat him. It’s a bloody disgrace when someone feels afraid to be themselves. Hopefully Leeds can raise awareness as the government tackles racism and disability discrimination on all fronts but this issue always seems to be third or forth in line.'"
I wouldn't equate racism and disability discrimination with 'homophobia'. The former are completely irrational - racism involves treating people differently due to something as arbitrary as skin colour, and discriminating on the basis of disability is just mean-spirited, disabled people cannot help their condition.
Heck, perhaps my religious beliefs have helped shape this view, but my disapproval of homosexual behaviour forms part of my overall attitude towards sexual morality. There is a big difference between arbitrary prejudice such as racism and disapproval of an individual's sexual behaviour.
Don't get me wrong though, no one deserves to be bullied, harassed or worse because they are gay.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "
Heck, perhaps my religious beliefs have helped shape this view, but my disapproval of homosexual behaviour forms part of my overall attitude towards sexual morality. There is a big difference between arbitrary prejudice such as racism and disapproval of an individual's sexual behaviour.
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The only problem with the religious objection to homosexual "behaviour" - and we are invariably speaking of the sexual act when religion and homosexuality appear in the same sentence* - is that it treats the topic as if it is un-natural behaviour, which it clearly isn't as most other species engage in what would be regarded as homosexual sex if it had been humans partaking and not (for example) chimpanzees, or dogs etc.
So if God made dogs gay then is it so inconceivable that he could make humans gay too ?
*Which of course it patently isn't the only consideration but it only seems to be the sexual act that most christians get uppity about.
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| Hopefully they'll get Miss Orry to take over the match day microphone duties to introduce the teams and that. She's absolutely fantastic down at Queens Court
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "The only problem with the religious objection to homosexual "behaviour" - and we are invariably speaking of the sexual act when religion and homosexuality appear in the same sentence* - is that it treats the topic as if it is un-natural behaviour, which it clearly isn't as most other species engage in what would be regarded as homosexual sex if it had been humans partaking and not (for example) chimpanzees, or dogs etc.
So if God made dogs gay then is it so inconceivable that he could make humans gay too ?
*Which of course it patently isn't the only consideration but it only seems to be the sexual act that most christians get uppity about.'"
You're making an inaccurate assumption here Mr chicken - referring to the divine one as "God" would imply that this religion is Christianity but at no point in the bible is homosexuality condemned.
…and judging by the sexual behaviour of a percentage of Catholic priests homosexuality is actively practiced in the Christian religion.
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| Quote: McLaren_Field "The only problem with the religious objection to homosexual "behaviour" - and we are invariably speaking of the sexual act when religion and homosexuality appear in the same sentence* - is that it treats the topic as if it is un-natural behaviour, which it clearly isn't as most other species engage in what would be regarded as homosexual sex if it had been humans partaking and not (for example) chimpanzees, or dogs etc.'"
I'd take issue with that and say that most Christians I know believe that such behaviour [iis[/i natural, in the sense that mankind is naturally susceptible to sin. I certainly consider homosexual 'acts' to be on a par with other immoralities such as sex outside of marriage, sins whereby man submits to temptation.
I don't want to get bogged down in the whole 'gay debate', but I thought it was important to make the distinction between things you cannot change (race, disability) and things you can change with the help of the Holy Spirit (homosexual inclinations).
My ten bobs worth.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "I'd take issue with that and say that most Christians I know believe that such behaviour [iis[/i natural, in the sense that mankind is naturally susceptible to sin. I certainly consider homosexual 'acts' to be on a par with other immoralities such as sex outside of marriage, sins whereby man submits to temptation.
I don't want to get bogged down in the whole 'gay debate', but I thought it was important to make the distinction between things you cannot change (race, disability) and things you can change with the help of the Holy Spirit (homosexual inclinations).
My ten bobs worth.'"
Being gay is not a life style choice or a decision that an individual makes - in the words of that Ga-Ga woman "you're born that way", as much as you're born black or disabled. You have no choice in the matter.
Race, Disability and homosexuality are all things that an individual can't change.
Your narrow minded views are not only misguided but also wrong.
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| This seemss to be creating an issue that doesn't exist. Its on par with the whole racism in football thing - the way footballers and other "personalities" have been harping on about it lately, you'd think that it is inherent in every football ground on a weekly basis, whereas in reality, the only two racist incidents of this season have been down to two utter clowns making a racist comment. Imagine what would happen if everyone started chucking bananas in this country. I've never known of any homophobia in RL. Don't believe the hype.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "Being gay is not a life style choice or a decision that an individual makes - in the words of that Ga-Ga woman "you're born that way", as much as you're born black or disabled. You have no choice in the matter.
Race, Disability and homosexuality are all things that an individual can't change.
Your narrow minded views are not only misguided but also wrong.'"
I really didn't want to get dragged into this, but please, let me clarify my position.
I'm not saying being gay is a choice. I do not doubt that gay people feel very real, natural urges towards people of the same sex. What I believe is that God has made it clear that such relations are sinful and that gay people should refrain from acting on their urges, perhaps in the same way someone should abstain from sex before marriage.
I'm not saying that it would be easy, but I believe in living by the Bible. That's the way it is.
I really didn't want to get bogged down in theology, I just wanted to make the point that you cannot change your race or disability, but you can choose to refrain from homosexual acts (which, as pointed out earlier, is the sin, not the 'orientation').
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| I suppose it's a good stance taken by the club. Personally I couldn't care less if some one wants to weigh anchor in poo bay. It doesn't matter if we're gay,straight or Australian in my book.
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