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Quote: Chris Saint "Not trolling here but those figures do show a swell effect around the demise of United

2003 - 12,800 Rhino's - 36,000 United
2004 - 16,000 Rhino's - 28,000 United

This was around the season when Leeds were relegated and is rightly or wrongly what lends weight to other supporters claims. However Leeds have managed and indeed built on that increase - regardless of where it has come from and have always had a good level of support compared to all SL clubs.

I think looking at those figures most fans can admit there was bound to be some movement, for instance Leeds got relegated and had to lop off ticket prices due to the lower competition and fans and families may have been able to afford to watch both sports or casual rugby fans maybe think right I'll get a Rhino's season ticket this time and pick and choose football fixtures or simply they or their kids didn't fancy watching Crewe and Plymouth instead of Man United and Chelsea and converted to a cheaper more family orientated sport, nothing wrong with it and its more money in RL no matter what.

However the only way you could even come close to proving it would be if Leeds got promoted again and Rhino's suddenly lose 3,000 fans (without other influences - stadium work etc...) and even then without asking every fan why - there will never be any definitive reason.'"


You do realise that in 2003 the Rhinos got to the challenge cup final and finished 2nd in the table? then to follow this up they wiped the floor with everyone in the league in 2004 and won the championship?

Far from the demise of Leeds United, it was the start of something big for Leeds Rhinos.

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Quote: Chris Saint "In terms of the incident I think he knows just about the same amount as Wane, it didn't happen to either and they both had the same footage to observe - whether his opinion about it counts the same is a completely different question...

On the incident itself, he was certainly clumsy rather than deliberate but it was a shocker regardless, 3 matches was fair & to me it seems a bit odd to appeal based on the fact the RFL are not going to quash it so he isn't going to be able to play at weekend, you don't need him to finish 4th anyway and if the RFL look at it as a frivolous appeal and add a game he'd miss the cup final should Leeds get there.

However the RFL past record suggest 2 games will be the outcome'"


Fair Enough but I feel the appeal might be based on a lack of mitigation based on an exemplary previous record.

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Quote: Chris Saint "Not trolling here but those figures do show a swell effect around the demise of United

2003 - 12,800 Rhino's - 36,000 United
2004 - 16,000 Rhino's - 28,000 United

This was around the season when Leeds were relegated and is rightly or wrongly what lends weight to other supporters claims.'"


Leeds United fans support a wide range of rugby league clubs.

I’m sure we have Castleford Tigers and Hull FC fans on this very board who support Leeds United as well. I think that the theory above is far fetched and a discredit to the good work that the whole club put into the 2004 season. You seem to be conveniently forgetting how many Rhinos shirts are seen at Old Trafford year after year.

Certainly more worn on that day than on a weekly basis during the season.

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3 game ban stands. No more, no less.

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Quote: Gotcha "You do realise that in 2003 the Rhinos got to the challenge cup final and finished 2nd in the table? then to follow this up they wiped the floor with everyone in the league in 2004 and won the championship?

Far from the demise of Leeds United, it was the start of something big for Leeds Rhinos.'"


Point taken Leeds did win the cup however while an increase was expectable 25% in 1 go is a bit much, bare in mind you won the cup in 1999 and finished a close 3rd but then lost 800 fans in 2000...

Results for 2004 can't really count for improved 2004 attendences directly as unless they significantly increased towards the end of the season to inflate the averages fans where there "before" the dominance so to speak, 2005 figures would be a more realistic comparison to 2004 dominance.

But as i said previously it is far from definitive and I don't believe it was purely a footballing issue, without asking every extra fan why they came its all speculation and regardless Leeds are still the torch bearers for SL attendances.

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "Leeds United fans support a wide range of rugby league clubs.

I’m sure we have Castleford Tigers and Hull FC fans on this very board who support Leeds United as well. I think that the theory above is far fetched and a discredit to the good work that the whole club put into the 2004 season. You seem to be conveniently forgetting how many Rhinos shirts are seen at Old Trafford year after year.

Certainly more worn on that day than on a weekly basis during the season.'"


I know several teams will have United fans but I'll bet its more Rhino's than Hull or Cas. Nothing been forgotten, I've made no reference to Leeds Rhino's shirts at Old Trafford because I have not criticised their attendances nor their total number of fans, in fact I've said they are the torch bearers - at Old Tafford last year it was a Blue wash no doubt about who had/has most fans.

Some could then question just how much work in 2004 was as a result of Leeds United's demise, that it was the reason the Rhino's had such a significant push, however as I say the figures I used are what other people use rightly or wrongly - not me i might add, I was only showing them as why fans mention it, when in reality it is impossible to be accurate how much if any affect it actually had

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Appeal dismissed, 3 game ban stands.

EDIT: Already mentioned by RhinoNeil.

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Quote: kirkstaller "Appeal dismissed, 3 game ban stands.

EDIT

Bit shocked it didn't come down to 2 - strange that the RFL get a backbone for a player without a poor history.

Inconsistency again.

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kirkstaller get that picture removed,its enough to make you vomit

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Quote: kirkstaller "Appeal dismissed, 3 game ban stands.

EDIT

It's cost him another £200 as well to cover the cost of the appeal.

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Not forgetting folks that the previous list was incomplete as it didn't include all SL seasons, only those where Leeds have finished ahead on the Attendance League table in response to Soprano's point re Leeds United.

Here therefore is the complete list for Leeds over the SL Era % on previous season

1996 ….. 12(11) ….. 8,581 …..
1997 ….. 12(11) ….. 10,998 ….. 28%
1998 ….. 12(11) ….. 12,164 ….. 11%
1999 ….. 14(15) ….. 13,482 ….. 11%
2000 ….. 12(14) ….. 12,674 ….. -6%
2001 ….. 12(14) ….. 12,881 ….. 2%
2002 ….. 12(14) ….. 12,157 ….. -6%
2003 ….. 12(14) ….. 12,846 ….. 6%
2004 ….. 12(14) ….. 16,028 ….. 25%
2005 ….. 12(14) ….. 17,012 ….. 6%
2006 ….. 12(14) ….. 15,677 ….. -8%
2007 ….. 12(13) ….. 17,558 ….. 12%
2008 ….. 12(13) ….. 17,043 ….. -3%
2009 ….. 14(13) ….. 15,774 ….. -7%

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With only Les Catalans still to visit Headingley

A steady decline year on year since Coach McClennan took over from Coach Smith.

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no problem with the ban,he deserved it. my anger is the fact you see others get away with shocking 'tackles' with only a letter issued. you see shockers week in week out with nothing done.
i'm all for stronger discipline but you need consistency

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Quote: ditchley16 "kirkstaller get that picture removed,its enough to make you vomit'"


Why should he?

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Quote: ditchley16 "kirkstaller get that picture removed,its enough to make you vomit'"


I think the Cas lot will love it.

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Quote: ditchley16 "kirkstaller get that picture removed'"


She looks like that scary women from the 80s who didn’t do too well in this part of the country.. eusa_shifty.gif

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