Burrow???

Fair point because if Lilley had to go to Bradford to move on it doesn't suggest any of the current coaching team will be able to add any value in that respect

Has Toovey added owt to Lilley's game? I have to say I've been a little underwhelmed considering all the hype regarding the former's coaching credentials.

Lilley said he his game has developed so much under Toovey, so I guess yes, if the players view is to go by.

You've managed to write a lot in this debate without actually writing anything of worth towards the original point.

I have told the original point. You keep going round the houses to somehow determine the player didn't get what he wanted, when he did. That is all I have corrected. Now to stop the childish pishing contest you seem to want, I have given you a bone on a negotiation the player didn't win.

You danced around wants he's actually wanted and asked for weeks .

If Leeds has essentially lied about Walker demanding to play only one position and posted a quote from him backing that up in their statement ONLY two weeks.....if that's all BS then why has he signed up so quickly afterwards. Leeds won't have changed any stance on anything since that statement was realised, GH and BM are too stubborn.

Its pointless discussing it with you mate, as you constantly contradict and change your point.

There is no change from me, which has been consistent all along, it is just it differs from your made up view of what was said, a view you seem to think is fine, but bad mouth others who know something different.

How many times have I actually said now about what his demand was? yet you still seem to want to twist it into something different for some reason. Leeds did change their stance, and contacted him and agent last week for a further meeting, which they had, and agreed to meet further this week if the club could do what was asked for. That meeting was supposed to be Thursday, but Leeds were so keen to get it sorted they arranged on Tuesday for it to be Wednesday morning. At 11:00 am on Wednesday Jack with agent signed the contract.s

Perhaps, GH has more sense than you give him credit for. And Perhaps you should listen to your own advice more often and stop spreading unfounded rumours to try and prove a point.

Insinuated? I quite clearly stated the below.

How can you guys be ar sed with these endless internet pi ssing contests that go nowhere with neither conceding an inch?!

On jack, I'm pleased it's resolved and did think it'd go that way. The Rhinos mantra of 'ask not what your club can do for you, but...' doesn't sit well with me though and I believe there's a position closer the middle that is more productive for both parties.

The last paragraph perhaps illustrates how far removed McDermott's thinking is from the reality. Management is a two way thing its about give and take - no one sided relationship ever fulfils its true potential - maybe BDSM is the exception that proves the rule

Do you think the bigger firms when recruiting the very best talent from university say this is about what you can do for us!!

McDermott bullies the younger players, some have been afraid just to walk past him for fear he may kick of with them for the slightest thing.

He also has been known to offer out a young player who had the cheek to walk behind him to rack some weights whilst he was using the punchbag.

I don't know whether this is true or not but he certainly intimidates journalists

Mcdermott couldnt develop a youngster if he had a manual....In any position!