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| Quote christopher="christopher"Ive actually Just sat down and watched the whole game again for the first time since seeing it live, Mcguire had a poor game but doesnt deserve the vitriol that he has had, also Tomkins didn't start to play until around 65 minutes into the game so I cant see why he's being labelled as some kind of wonder kid.
I actually think we will do OK against the Kiwis but wholesale changes will not benefit us, this is the team I would play having watched the game again.
1. Smith
2. Briscoe
3. Eastmond
4. Shenton
5. Hall
6. Mcguire
7. Tomkins
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15. Graham
16. Crabtree
17. Westwood
I dont usually advocate playing players out of position but I think Sinfield was excellent controlling the game from DH and ROby is a very strong runner and defender so they swap positions.
Im not a huge fan of Wilkin but he has a bit of utility value and the best we have in the squad for the 17th man IMO.
Burgess has to be on from the start and play as much of the 80 as possible, and someone please show him how to keep hold of the ball!
Crabtree is a great bench prop and he will be a bit of an unknown to NZ.
Grham will provide good impact from the bench aslong as he stops passing like a halfback when he gets the ball, he did this a number of times against Australia and it wasnt good IMO.'"
Roby at loose forward???? That must be a joke.
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| Quote leicester_rhino="leicester_rhino"knee jerk or not, I was mainly questioning whether you think that Peacock offers less to GB than Carvell. I guess I know your answer.'"
There's only one way to find out.
I wasn't entirely convinced before Saturday that Crabtree would offer more to England than Peacock, but I got an answer.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"Indeed - I realise criticising JPs performances on here are akin to slitting the throat of a sacred cow though, so I did half expect a knee jerk from someone in response.'"
JP needs to play at prop - I suspect his selection at SR was a contributing factor to Englands defensive woes last week.
However, do you really believe England would be better off with Carvell?
I also think Eastmond at half with another inexperienced halfback would be a huge gamble when he's not managed to have any sort of a run at club level in the halves.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder"There's only one way to find out.
I wasn't entirely convinced before Saturday that Crabtree would offer more to England than Peacock, but I got an answer.'"
Ive rated Crabtree as being capable to perform on the bigger stage. he has good strength, mobility, and is able to get the ball away in the tackle.
I'm never that convinced by Carvell.
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| Quote Vic Mackey="Vic Mackey"I also think Eastmond at half with another inexperienced halfback would be a huge gamble when he's not managed to have any sort of a run at club level in the halves.'"
Who looked the more dangerous of the two halfbacks on Saturday?
England need to be prepared to take chances, otherwise they'll just end up picking the same old tried - and failed - faces.
In the absence of Burrow, Eastmond offers the best option IMO to cause the big Kiwi forwards problems with his footwork and acceleration. I reckon he's well on the way to becoming the halfback that Jason Robinson could have been had other aspects of his game not let him down.
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| Quote Andy Gilder="Andy Gilder" I reckon he's well on the way to becoming the halfback that Jason Robinson could have been had other aspects of his game not let him down.'"
Aye a pity about those weaknesses, what a player that Robinson could have been.

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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"Aye a pity about those weaknesses, what a player that Robinson could have been.
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If he'd had even a relatively decent passing and kicking game to match his reading of the game and his physical attributes, he could have been the best half-back GB have ever produced, and I include the likes of Murphy and Millward in there.
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| Quote G1="G1"On a related note is the gap now as wide as it was in 1982?'"
I don't think it's the same, no. We not were able to dominate any of the games I remember for any period of time. We only scored one try in three matches. Even Sheens admitted that at the end of the game on Saturday they were exhausted - they didn't break sweat in '82. Having said that I remember GB being able to hold Australia in check until the second half most games in '82, but wether that was due to the conditions of playing in English mud in November, the inclusion of "biff" for long periods, or the fact we had better players? I don't know.
We did have a larger pool of players to choose from because of the international ban, but we had completely lost contact with the sport in Australia - no coaches, no players over here and no idea of how they had progressed (although I believe in '79 the warning bells were ringing loud and clear).
I was looking at the GB teams for those three games and we played 3 completely different sets of half backs, Nash and Woods, Holmes and Ken Kelly, Topliss and Gregory. Three different 9's, three different 13's, 5 different second row forwards. The pack for the third test was completly different to a man from the one in the second test.
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| We are - by and large - more competitive at home than we were in 1982. Wasn't it 2003 when all three Tests went down to the last five minutes with just one score between the sides?
Perhaps some of this is because of the curtailing of full tours, meaning visiting Australian sides aren't getting the chance to bed in and build up match sharpness/combinations as they would on a long tour with club games leading up to the Tests.
Conversely, that end to proper tours has made GB/England much less competitive away from home as was evidenced by performances on Australian soil over the last 10 years when compared to tours in the late 80s and 90s.
In 1982 and 1986 GB didn't look like winning any of the Tests. At least now there is the belief that with the right performance the Australians are eminently beatable on their travels.
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| Quote DHM="DHM"I was looking at the GB teams for those three games and we played 3 completely different sets of half backs, Nash and Woods, Holmes and Ken Kelly, Topliss and Gregory. Three different 9's, three different 13's, 5 different second row forwards. The pack for the second test was completly different to a man from the one in the second test.'"
We were in a mess back then weren't we.
I was going to make that point (or something similar) with regards to the '82 series as my over-riding memory from a British point of view.
Strength (weakness) in depth. The selection committee actually had several options back then because of the overseas ban.
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| Quote Vic Mackey="Vic Mackey"I also think Eastmond at half with another inexperienced halfback would be a huge gamble when he's not managed to have any sort of a run at club level in the halves.'"
Well, he covered for Longy when his jaw was broken so he got about 6 to 8 weeks consecutively. He's not yet shown whether he can organise around the park though. But Sinfield looked good in that respect when he took on the mantle during the second half. We only need one person to do that job and if he does it again on Saturday then that will release Eastmond and Tomkins to play their natural game. I think having two players on the pitch for the full 80 dodging and weaving, throwing good passes, fielding neat kicks here and there, could be (if used properly) a very good way of screwing with the opposition. If we can't fell them with our big men then getting them lurching here, there and everywhere sounds like the next best plan.
As for Graham and his passing: that is the kind of prop he is. He is an offloading prop. He made one boo-boo on Saturday with his forward pass, for which he will no doubt still be kicking himself, but Graham has the ability to split the defence with his passes so I wouldn't take that part of the game away from him. He is also a grafter and not an impact prop so he is better on there at the outset to grind down the big men and then our big men can get on and smash 'em (or does that only happen in my fantasies?  )
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