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Senior kicked out. He didn't get away with it he was correctly penalised by referee Bentham (Richards missed the resultant penalty attempt at goal IIRC), he was charged with a Grade A offence, summoned to appear before the disciplinary, came away with a punishment that fell within the range for a Grade A offence.

I haven't seen it yet but didn't McGoldrick get penalised today at Wigan for a similar offence?

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Quote: tvoc "Senior kicked out. He didn't get away with it he was correctly penalised by referee Bentham (Richards missed the resultant penalty attempt at goal IIRC), he was charged with a Grade A offence, summoned to appear before the disciplinary, came away with a punishment that fell within the range for a Grade A offence.

I haven't seen it yet but didn't McGoldrick get penalised today at Wigan for a similar offence?'"


None of the above is in dispute. What is in dispute is:

1) As one of the worst cases of kicking out seen, how much further do you have to go to get the maximum 1 match ban under the current classification?

2) As 3 other less serious offences were awarded bans that weekend, why wasn't Senior also banned?

3) Should the Grade A classification be changed, or indeed a new assignment made for "Kicking out with connection to the head or face" with a higher grade offence given the high potential for injury compared to high tackles / chicken wing tackles / grapple tackles / spear tackles?

Question 1 is yet to be answered by anyone. Question 2, well, obviously there's the current classification, but in direct comparison to say leading with the elbow, the classification is clearly wrong. Which leads to question 3. To which the answer has to be "Yes".

What we're seeing here is that you can deliberately kick a player in the head (in the tackle) and only receive a one match ban, even if you kill him. However, throw him onto his back (unlikely to cause injury, although there is potential) and you may get... well... several matches. Or even months.

That's inconsistent, pure and simple.

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Quote: Fishsta "None of the above is in dispute. What is in dispute is

1) worst case is your opinon, there is no way that accidental contact can be worse than deliberate, it can cause greater injury but that is not a relevent argument for reasons pointed out previously, the answer is simple, look at the records and show me a case that led to a ban, that is what you need to do (if there are none then we havnt seen the level yet) - remember the incident itself is not the only consideration and only the RFL can answer the question

2) less serious is your opinion again, you should learn to use facts, it's much easier

3) you again wish to grade offences on the basis of injury and not severity of offence or intent which is just plain wrong

deliberately kicking someone in the head is not kicking out, that is different - it has already been established that this was not deliberate - high potential for injury, how many incidents of injury can you point me to other than this one incident? are you describing the spear tackle at the end of the paragraph, if so you are a fool

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Not for the first time ...... I agree with Nick ..... I mean Hopie.

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Quote: Fishsta "You can tell it's school holidays at the moment if you're up this late.



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Hark at Mr Mature with the avatar of a 5 year old! d040.gif

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Quote: Fishsta "You can tell it's school holidays at the moment if you're up this late.

When you can actually ARGUE or DEBATE a point without simply ignoring whole posts and using a word that you obviously don't even understand, then I'll start taking what you say seriously. Otherwise, it'd be best to let the people with at least double-figure IQs continue this debate.

As I said earlier...

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You're a one eyed hypocrite, simple as.

Or, more accurately a very emotional one eyed hypocrite whose confused drivel on this subjects goes round in circles.

1) Take a look at your avtar. For a grown man to produce that is truly pitiful.

2) You insist on claiming Senior's kick was deliberate, ignoring the findings of the disciplinary panel that found that it was not. Are you a mind reader perchance?

3) You claim you conveniently missed the events when Wigan players were charged with the same offence (and in one case was found to have kicked out at the player deliberately - unlike Senior - and in the other the panel were unsure of intent). Funny that. Conveniently missed your own players commiting the offence and being charged: hypocrite and liar = zero credibility.

4) Despite your laughable claim to have even missed your own players commiting the offence and being charged you describe Senior's 'offence' to be the worst of its kind. Your like 'Tommy' being called up as a key witness - the deaf and blind Fishta swears he saw and heard everything m'lud.

5)You defend players like Terry Newton yet describe players like Cunningham, Diskin and Bailey as thugs. You sad, sad man icon_lol.gif Your jealousy of Leeds and saints is like a cancer eating away at your capacity for rational thought yet alone comment.

6) Senior was charged with an offence for which there is a range of punishments available. The actions of the panel are entirely consistent with their previous actions when 2 Wigan players were charged with the same offence - you know the offences you pretend you didn't know about icon_lol.gif


Yet you make deluded claims about not being able to have a rational debate. How the chuff do you have a rational debate with a tired, emotional fruitcake?

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rlhttps://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f

How many Wigan fans wanted Tomkins banned.

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Quote: Era of the Biff "You sure it was Tompkins he kicked in the head and not you?

I'm not so sure!'"


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Quote: Tony Soprano "rlhttps://forums.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f

How many Wigan fans wanted Tomkins banned.'"


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Its only 6 pages long. No wonder Fishta missed both it and the incident.

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Quote: Puig-Aubert "

It's a great thread and proves the point that some have been trying to make which was never about defending Senior.

I would have had no problem with Senior getting banned and I said that before his disciplinary.

Wigan Fans

Senior kicks out "He didn't kick him hard enough"[/i

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Nice find TS! Is that Fishta's credibility I hear sinking? www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=698

...says it should be a C.... that would suggest there isn't the consistency with previous decisions after all?
Quote: Puig-Aubert "You're a one eyed hypocrite, simple as.

Or, more accurately a very emotional one eyed hypocrite whose confused drivel on this subjects goes round in circles.

1) Take a look at your avtar. For a grown man to produce that is truly pitiful.'"


Nice change of subject to try and score a point.

Quote: Puig-Aubert "2) You insist on claiming Senior's kick was deliberate, ignoring the findings of the disciplinary panel that found that it was not. Are you a mind reader perchance?'"


No, I'm simply saying they're wrong. Whilst I agree the [icontact[/i was accidental, the kick wasn't and he shouldn't have done it. If it was accidental then was it a muscular spasm?

Quote: Puig-Aubert "3) You claim you conveniently missed the events when Wigan players were charged with the same offence (and in one case was found to have kicked out at the player deliberately - unlike Senior - and in the other the panel were unsure of intent). Funny that. Conveniently missed your own players commiting the offence and being charged4) Despite your laughable claim to have even missed your own players commiting the offence and being charged you describe Senior's 'offence' to be the worst of its kind. Your like 'Tommy' being called up as a key witness - the deaf and blind Fishta swears he saw and heard everything m'lud.'"


You conveniently omit the words "one of". But don't let facts get in the way of an arguemnt, eh?

Quote: Puig-Aubert "5)You defend players like Terry Newton yet describe players like Cunningham, Diskin and Bailey as thugs. You sad, sad man www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplin ... php?id=698

...says it should be a C.... that would suggest there isn't the consistency with previous decisions after all?


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Quote: tvoc "As the sanction range for a Grade C offence (re

I think classifying a kick out (to the face or not) as a grade C makes much more sense. You've still got the NFA option if it really was an unfortunate unavoidable incident (as unlikely as it sounds it is possible), 4 matches for the worst kind of kick out (but is that enough?) and stages inbetween for varying degrees of offence.

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