This is simply an obvious statement of the rights of a consumer. Does supporting Leeds ever make you happy?

i can afford it. i earnt enough yesterday morning to pay for next years.
i simply feel i don't get value for money. i go to a few, a few away games.
everybody has a choice. i wouldn't slag people off for getting one or not.
its whats best for you

OMG - take your Blue & Amber glasses off for a second and look into what is being said a little more objectively.

The point raised and being debated is the value of a season ticket based on the quality of the games we go and watch.

No-one is blaming GH or BMcD - it's the format of the play-off system that is at fault.

With the current 8 team play-off system clubs and more specifically coaches can afford to chop, change, experiment and ease-off through the regular season, then knock it up a gear in the play-offs. BMcD does this expertly and should be praised for it. The side effect of this though is some dismal regular round performances.

Hence the debate on the value of a season ticket.

Ive been a season ticket holder for many years and many of those have been far far worse than under McDermott and many pre super league were much worse.

That said, in later years I bought them mainly because it was something son and I did together as a social activity and, since he flew the nest to Uni it's something a friend and I do together, usually involving a curry or a feed before hand.

I may or may not renew and I have bemoaned the poor games served up under Mcdermott but how can anyone who sits at home watching telly feel superior to me because I go out to the rugby and socialize with friends and family. Yeah, Natwich watching alone in a dark room three days after the result is a really cool, shrewd operator

It's my dollar, I'll spend it how I wish.

If only

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but I think your analogy (above) is a little flawed.

I agree that if you were to go to a restaurant and have a bad meal then you'd be unlikely to go back, but if you were to regularly go to the same restaurant but sometimes you were served a two Michelin Stared meal and others a BigMac and fries but you'd never know which you were to get it'd be a tad frustrating.

With restaurants, cinemas, holidays etc you can pre-empt the value you are going to get to a certain extent. For example it'd be unlikely that you'd be served a poor meal at the Fat Duck or spend £3K on a cruise aboard the QEII and I doubt you'd dirty sheets on your bed.

With the Rhinos you never know which team is going to turn up, one day it's Côte de bœuf, the next Findus Crispy Pancakes.

As has been said it suits some to buy a ST and others not. If the ST includes a seat there is the advantage that you have your regular viewing point reserved and have familiar other supporters around. Also in sport you cannot predict which will be the best games for entertainment, so a disadvantage with picking and choosing is that you could miss the best tries and moves of the season. I got my first ST in late 50's for the South Stand before maturing to the North Stand where we became "Members" with our names on our seats. In those days too there was plenty of dross, but that happens in sport.

However I recall witnessing individual brilliance from players of both sides in games where you wouldn't have expected it. So not buying a ST is no guarantee you can pick the best entertainment by only going for the so called big games (that are on TV anyway.)

I don't understand why some of those that no longer have STs wish to talk down to those that still buy them. The same individuals at the end of last season were predicting falling income for Leeds and promoting the idea of ditching the STs to teach GH a lesson. Well that worked didn't it. Increased attendance means increased revenue and if more of this is from non STs then more profit too.

Nantwich says he has lost interest in Leeds. I would never have guessed from the volume of misinformed ramblings he posts on here

Yes sport does have much more unpredictability in that regard......but that is also a good thing as it can surprise you much more when it's great but the payoff of that is that it can disappoint much more too.

But that is and will always be the way with sport, if people don't like that kind of unpredictability in relation to their money then perhaps sport isn't for them.

Some have said this year that because they've heard of people not attending games anymore because they've lost interest in going that it shows the game is really bad. What they don't think about is that whenever they first started going, whether it was 20/30/40/50 years ago, that they WILL HAVE been other people losing interest and stopping attending just as someone new was getting into the habit of going. It must have done otherwise attendences would have gone up every year without fail until they got to ridiculously high levels.

I get one as my mates have them

More of a social reason now a days

Could be worse ...

You could be season ticket holder at somewhere like Cas, where that team turns up at home once-a-season when blue & amber are in town

"Pity" in the general sense of the supporters that should be the most valued are perversely being the most short changed......nothing personal. Don't take it so.

Friday night is 'business night' ...pity me if you wish: either way I, personally, do not care and see no sense in reacting so.