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Thing is ref Kylie, where will the one year add ons end?!

Let's say next year he replicates form and performance of this year, why not give him another year deal for the 2016 season!

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Bailey, Peacock, Leuluai, Kirke, Singleton, Yates, Baldwinson, Cuthbertson next season. Assuming the starting props will be Peacock, Leuluai with Cuthbertson and AN other on the bench. There will be some unhappy players.

Also, note that Bailey, Peacock, Leuluai, Kirke, Singleton, Yates contracts all come to an end at end of 2015 season.

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Quote: rhinoms "So we lose Kylie & JP at the same time with only Cuthbertson signed from outside the Club!
Kirke can leave as well imo that would leave us short of quality in the front row even IF we move Delaney up I'm sure GH has a plan but not sure I like the idea of losing both of our best props at once.'"



I don't think he does have a plan. He has been incredibly short sighted over the last couple of years. I think he just can not let go of what he has.

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Quote: Gotcha "He has been incredibly short sighted over the last couple of years. '"


Genuine question...in what respect exactly ????

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Quote: DoubleAone "Genuine question...in what respect exactly ????'"



In respect of exactly what I said. You only have to look at the other replies also. The planning for this squad is really bad. Peacock and Kylie can not play for ever, they are both in important roles. Regardless of how good he is, Peacock has not been anything close this year to what he was last year, and that will only reduce again (but we need him). Kylie had a fantastic start to the year, was still good in the middle, and as looked poor since returning from injury. Last season he had a fantastic start to the year, was good in the middle, and poor third. Bit of a pattern.

Kirke, Bailey, quite frankly offer us nothing that you will not get from other younger, hungrier players.

So the short sightedness is holding on and not moving on. Cuthbertson, I give credit is a move in the right direction and at least one part of the puzzle going forward. But even then it is a gamble, just like any other player who is not top in the game as to whether it will work, or more importantly he will settle.

Give McDermott credit though, he has at times tried to bring on others this year, which he was failing on previously. The problem is in a lot of cases, those bringing on were in positions we were not looking at needing short term replacements.

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At the moment we have JP, Kylie, Singleton, Bailey, Kirke, and Yates, plus Delaney and JJB who can play prop to a decent level at the moment, next season we have Cuthbertson, and Baldwinson to be added to the squad, and up to this point nobody is leaving so just how many props do some people want us to have?!

At the moment we don't know whom will be here this time next year. Asumming JP, and Kylie retire, and Kirke and Bailey aren't retained. That still leaves us with Singleton, Cuthbertson, Baldwinson and Yates. I would imagine we'll try and seek a prop or 2 for 2016 but right now I'm not too worried, as I'm sure the club are monitoring players whom will be available. To be fair to the club, there isn't exactly many quality props available right now, Huby's off to Hudds, and Taylor is probably off to Hull, but if that move doesn't go through I hope we try and sign him.

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I think (unfortunately IMO) that Kirke & Bailey are here to stay until they retire. I cannot see anyway that GH will allow 4 senior props to leave at the end of 2015.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "At the moment we have JP, Kylie, Singleton, Bailey, Kirke, and Yates, plus Delaney and JJB who can play prop to a decent level at the moment, next season we have Cuthbertson, and Baldwinson to be added to the squad, and up to this point nobody is leaving so just how many props do some people want us to have?!

At the moment we don't know whom will be here this time next year. Asumming JP, and Kylie retire, and Kirke and Bailey aren't retained. That still leaves us with Singleton, Cuthbertson, Baldwinson and Yates. I would imagine we'll try and seek a prop or 2 for 2016 but right now I'm not too worried, as I'm sure the club are monitoring players whom will be available. To be fair to the club, there isn't exactly many quality props available right now, Huby's off to Hudds, and Taylor is probably off to Hull, but if that move doesn't go through I hope we try and sign him.'"

Yates is still very much a "who knows" gamble I hope it works btw just pointing that out.
Singleton is still learning ,Kirke/Bailey are neither consistent or good enough to step into either JP's or Kylies shoes and both Delaney & Jjb will struggle to do long minutes there against the bigger packs in SL whilst also not forgetting JJb's age/recent recurring injury woes.
Hopefully Baldwinson can break through I really rate the kid but scratch the surface and it doesn't look that great.
One thing we all know in this sport as well is that when age "gets yer" its over now JP is a colossus and Kylie made of stone but they can't go on forever and I even question whether next year will be one too far for Kylie irrespective of this years efforts.
I like the Cuthbertson signing (on paper at least) but I still think this pack needs "refreshing" I also don't think using Achurch as a prop works either I know you didn't say as such just saying mate.
I would prefer GH to sign at least one more prop now and say to Kirke ,Bailey ,Clarkson cheers we wish you all the best.

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Quote: rhinoms "Yates is still very much a "who knows" gamble I hope it works btw just pointing that out.
Singleton is still learning ,Kirke/Bailey are neither consistent or good enough to step into either JP's or Kylies shoes and both Delaney & Jjb will struggle to do long minutes there against the bigger packs in SL whilst also not forgetting JJb's age/recent recurring injury woes.
Hopefully Baldwinson can break through I really rate the kid but scratch the surface and it doesn't look that great.
One thing we all know in this sport as well is that when age "gets yer" its over now JP is a colossus and Kylie made of stone but they can't go on forever and I even question whether next year will be one too far for Kylie irrespective of this years efforts.
I like the Cuthbertson signing (on paper at least) but I still think this pack needs "refreshing" I also don't think using Achurch as a prop works either I know you didn't say as such just saying mate.
I would prefer GH to sign at least one more prop now and say to Kirke ,Bailey ,Clarkson cheers we wish you all the best.'"



Leeds should have been sorting this year for Peacock without a doubt. He has already said he is finishing next year, and made it clear he won't change his mind.

Huby and Simms are quality signings for our rivals, had we added one of those with Cutherbertson, not resigned Kylie, and got rid of one of Bailey or Kirke, we would have had very good front row options for next year, which would have brought along Singleton, Baldwinson and Mulhern nicely. Ready for Peacock leaving the year after.

That would have been planning.

What we have is quite clear that Hetherington is pinning everything on the hope that Peacock will change his mind.

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Quote: Gotcha "
What we have is quite clear that Hetherington is pinning everything on the hope that Peacock will change his mind.'"

Quite clear how?

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My concern is around the half backs - where are the plans to replace these two, speed is an essential requirement of a half back neither of ours have much now.

Sutcliffe doesn't look a half to me at the elite level, he looks more like an Ablett to me than a McGuire/Sinfield

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Quote: Gotcha " The planning for this squad is really bad. '"


I for one would not agree.

1. He has signed a NRL Prop for next year.

2. IMHO JP is a clear run in for Man of Steel this year dont know what more you expect..

3. and again IMHO Kylie has clearly earned another go around next season.

4. He is bringing forward the young guns when the opportunity arises.

I dont know what more you expect him to do... conjure up fantasy signings out of thin air ?????

Perhaps you might offer some specifics in terms of actual alternatives.

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Quote: DoubleAone "I for one would not agree.

1. He has signed a NRL Prop for next year.

2. IMHO JP is a clear run in for Man of Steel this year dont know what more you expect..

3. and again IMHO Kylie has clearly earned another go around next season.

4. He is bringing forward the young guns when the opportunity arises.

I dont know what more you expect him to do... conjure up fantasy signings out of thin air ?????

Perhaps you might offer some specifics in terms of actual alternatives.'"


He already has - Huby for one.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "He already has - Huby for one.'"


How do you know we didnt make him an offer ???

Its just total arrogance to presume we can just go out and sign whom ever we want and when we want d040.gif

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Quote: DoubleAone "How do you know we didnt make him an offer ???

Its just total arrogance to presume we can just go out and sign whom evver we want
Agreed - can't see many players turning down the opportunity to join an elite club like Leeds though?

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