Sorry, I didn't just mean he was crap from yesterday's performance. I meant he is just proper crap always.

I see no reason why Agar should be cut any more slack than Furner was, especially as he now has an allegedly better squad to work with.

I actually don't think Agar is too much to blame here. Our squad is not even average in the outside backs. No pace, and very poor defensive shapes. I doubt think Holbrook would get much more out of us.
Fwiw, think we should have brought Wane in last season, as we'd have a pack to fear now at least....

Even if we cut Sinfield and Agar some slack in the argument the squad they inherited was pish poor something Furner was trying to resolve I may add.
But clearly it might have meant some of Sinfields cronies getting the bullet hence why Furner had to go.
Agar/Sinfield are making basic mistakes by first of all not playing Holroyd against Hull and putting Newman on the wing to accommodate another Sinfield pal in Sutcliffe.
The other mistake is giving JJB a coaching role.
Cut the old boys act and bring in someone to shake this squad up or move Sinfield out.

It shocked me when JJB got his coaching gig he comes across as a media presenter, Leeds Rhinos Head of front of House etc ,but a top coaching position? Cant see it myself

I didn't attend yesterdays game unfortunately. However, I have read everything on all sites about the game and am surprised how so many have reacted. Regarding the forwards,. We know we are two big boys light. We all knew that. The back three forwards seem okay, albeit they had a bad day at the office yesterday. It happens! Everyone appears to be praising Cameron Smith which is good. I just question whether he fully understands his role at 13 and he needs more 1 on 1 coaching. Sometimes he appears to be a tackling machine like Donaldson but to be really successful we need so much more from him. In the halves we have options and it may take time to gell. Patience is the key. As for the backs, my biggest concern is the real lack of pace. We only have one player who has the potential to go the length of the field and none who have any real turn of pace over 25 yards. Yes we have wingers who are injured but is there any real quality? I sense it will be a difficult year but calling for resignations already seems short sighted. JJB on the coaching team I can understand especially regarding defensive duties and patterns. But who is leading the attacking duties from a coaching perspective. I honestly have no idea. As for Walker at fullback - this youngster had so much promise when he broke into the first team. He needs more support especially regarding attacking plays / patterns! He has still so much potential but does appear to have stagnated. Is he any better now than he was at Old Trafford 2017??? In summary there is potential for improvement but we may need to be patient.

I'm baffled at some of the overreaction there has been on here but it has made me laugh.
We were beaten by a better team, they weren't fantastic and we were poor but that's enough to run up a largish score especialy in round 1
For me it was quite competitive for the first 20 mins until Ward went off who i thought was outstanding in thaty period. Thats when the wheels fell off and Hurrell went to Disney land. Those 2 forced interchanges ruined all the shape and the heads did go down for a bit. What is good is that they did come back a bit. FFS it's round 1, try to keep a level head and let's see where we really are in another 3-4 games

better still make each game 20 minutes so we are competitive

I had a long chat with a key player earlier. And I certainly won’t be making his comments public .

The thing is, it's not an over-reaction based on yesterday's game. It's a reaction based on the past two years of utter tripe that we've paid to watch. Yesterday's game was no different. It warns of another season languishing near the foot of the table.

I had a long chat with a key player earlier today too - coincidentally!

Wane should have been our coach last year. No doubt about it. Sinfield totally to blame for Agar appointment. I love Kev to bits for what hes done for us as a player but hes got it wrong on this one

I am not sure he is totally responsible, not even sure he is responsible at all. It is after all Hetheringtons family, so it would be a bit coincidental for Sinfield to push it.

Either way, I made comment above about a key player, and on the coaching front I heard nothing negative from him.