I'm sorry, but I think punching & spear tackles are red card offences. You know what pal? So does the rule book.

15.1 (a) Trips, Kicks or Strikes another player

Running in & punching, opponent off guard. E-F

15.1 (b) When tackling or attempting to tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent.

Intentional – clenched fist – intent to make contact with head. D-F.

15.1 (d) Uses a dangerous throw

Dangerous throw, throwing player into the ground. D-E.

D: 3-5
E: 5-8
F: 8+ or Suspension period

So 'Mickey Mac' (the little ), Bateman & Crosby should all be getting three weeks to kick their heels.

Aye.

Here's a great shot of Batemen warming up tonight, pre match...

Fair enough I got the terminology wrong. Point still stands can't lift the legs above horizontal. If player was controlled to the ground then can be negated but hall wasn't.

Re MM didn't say he was swinging his arm. He did one high shot. Don't think it was particulary bad but bad timing after having a dressing down from the ref just before.

All of this doesn't negate the fact we lost Wigan wanted it more than us. Fair play

Which is why spear tackle is a different offence.

15.1(d) Uses a Dangerous Throw

Spear Tackle: Drives a player into the ground onto their head/neck. E-F.

It wasn't technically a spear. It was still a dangerous throw, it was still a red. And it's still 3 games minimum.

Fair play, good game played in an aggresive manner, prolly a damn site more entertaining than foozeballs premier club knockout competition which I believe was played today? Also, I see no mention anywhere in this thread about saint mcguires kick into the chest of george williams afterbeing tackled later in the 2nd half

I thought it was an excellent game - Wigan got their game plan correct McDermott didn't. The intensity of Wigan put Leeds off, probably a preparation issue with Leeds underestimating what Wigan would throw at them.

Not picking Briscoe was a big error and losing Watkins left a huge hole on the right. BJB failed to catch one ball tonight and failed to make one metre in collision.

Fair play to Wigan they came with a plan and executed it - best team won on the night

And theres me thinking i'd imagined the Mcguire/Williams incident. Very petulant and probably upset about being caught by a hooker when he could have passed. As a neutral i have to say Kevin Sinfield has always been one of my favourite players but today he looked pedestrian compared to what he used to be. Wigan just seemed to want it more.

TBH I think anybody questioning the attitude of a team containing the likes of Peacock, Sinfield, Leuluai, Delaney etc as treating a game vs Wigan like an exhibition is the most embarrassing thing.

Did Wigan show more enthusiasm, yes. But Leeds playing in exhibition mode? No, not only disrespectful to the likes of Leeds players but also the Wigan players, they played their socks off yet only beat a Leeds team "on exhibition mode" by 4 points and almost lost it at the end.

That was an amazing tackle and indicative of Wigan's greater desire....it was also unfortunately another indication of McGuire's reticence to admit he has lost that extra yard of pace and frustration when again he is reminded. If only he would accept it then we would have seen a winning try from BJB.

BJB would have been a hero, but still played crap. I bet the good doc is wondering why his club signed him on this performance.

No no no no no.... You can't say a word about him here... He is a god........ Was that the "Foot of god"?

but if TMFMIRL hadn't gone running in he wouldn't have copped it from the youngster.

As Ryan stopped bleeding yet ?