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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Because they are three different people and they have reached a different decision... that is the point of the appeals system. They don't look stupid, the disciplinary panel thought one thing and the appeals panel thought another thing... they are just opinions.'"
They look stupid, one decision one day and the opposite the next, it happens alot of the time and it needs changing.
We need to be getting the right decision first time, it just becomes farcical.
BTW reason given on here is that they saw a different angle second time round.
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| I sometimes wonder if the RFL do this on purpose to get more media coverage? Or could it be they are just a bunch of clueless tarts who are out of touch with the modern game, reality and life in general.
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| Another example of RFL favouritism towards the Whinos
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
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| Quote: mirfieldrhino "But who's to say the appeals committee's opinion is any more correct/valid/accurate than that of the disciplinary committee's. All the chopping and changing does make a bit of a mockery of the system - not just in this case but in every case that this happens.
The process needs to be made more objective than subjective. Whether or not a ban is appropriate should be a black and white case - not down to an opinion of a group. There should be better guidelines drawn up regarding how bans are handed out and they should be stuck to.'"
Hang on a minute... so your alternative is always to have the same people on the panel and no right of appeal??? There are guidelines (very good ones) but like the whole of the UK justices system it is down to a jury of piers to decide... in this case 3 people on the disciplinary panel, three on the appeals panel. They draw up rota's in advance which rotate all the members around both panels, so that one person can never dominate or they can form cliques with each other, meaning varied and balanced opinions and judgements!
He is still guilty, they (the appeals panel) just think he does not deserve a one match suspension for gods sake.
If this system is not fair what is your alternative?
Get a grip everyone, one panel had a slightly different view from the other and Leeds asked them to look at specific angle that the disciplinary may not have seen, but Leeds showed as it supported the argument for not suspending him... that means the system worked...
Get a grip!
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| Quote: wakeytillidie "Another example of RFL favouritism towards the Whinos'"
Just because they won't pay you tax bill.
If you'd bother to through the stats, you'll find many a ban this year has been over turned. Unfortunately for you, a certain 2 year drug ban wasn't. Sorry - not our fault!
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| Quote: wakeytillidie "Another example of RFL favouritism towards the Whinos'"
Correct, just suprised it took you so long to come up with that, you must be on your own tonight. Oh and sorry EOTB.
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| Quote: mirfieldrhino "
Please dont quote bumsniff. It's on my ignore list for a reason.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Hang on a minute... so your alternative is always to have the same people on the panel and no right of appeal??? There are guidelines (very good ones) but like the whole of the UK justices system it is down to a jury of piers to decide... in this case 3 people on the disciplinary panel, three on the appeals panel. They draw up rota's in advance which rotate all the members around both panels, so that one person can never dominate or they can form cliques with each other, meaning varied and balanced opinions and judgements!
He is still guilty, they (the appeals panel) just think he does not deserve a one match suspension for gods sake.
If this system is not fair what is your alternative?
Get a grip everyone, one panel had a slightly different view from the other and Leeds asked them to look at specific angle that the disciplinary may not have seen, but Leeds showed as it supported the argument for not suspending him... that means the system worked...
Get a grip!'"
My main point is that the whole process seems a joke when appeals get given the thumbs up so often. It makes the bans given out by the disciplinary committee seem a bit.. well... pointless. It also, in my view, assumes that the appeals committee's opinion is more valid than that of the original disciplinary committee.
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| Quote: Era of the Biff "Please dont quote bumsniff. It's on my ignore list for a reason.'"
Apologies.
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| Quote: mirfieldrhino "My main point is that the whole process seems a joke when appeals get given the thumbs up so often. It makes the bans given out by the disciplinary committee seem a bit.. well... pointless. It also, in my view, assumes that the appeals committee's opinion is more valid than that of the original disciplinary committee.'"
Spot on, whatever the current rules are they need a serious overall (BTW I'm saying Buderus decision is right, wrong or indifferent) far too many decisions are overturned.
The original decision needs to be the right one, and made very carefully looking at all the available evidence, the decision should stand unless there is a clear and undeniable breach of the rules made in making this decision.
Far too many decisions are being overturned, which makes the system appear stupid to most fans and gives the impression that the deciplinary panel do not know what they are doing.
The system needs a radical rewrite, this is very clear, I'll leave it at that.
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41106.jpg You come at the king - You better not miss.
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| Quote: Birkbygiant "Spot on, whatever the current rules are they need a serious overall (BTW I'm saying Buderus decision is right, wrong or indifferent) far too many decisions are overturned.
The original decision needs to be the right one, and made very carefully looking at all the available evidence, the decision should stand unless there is a clear and undeniable breach of the rules made in making this decision.
Far too many decisions are being overturned, which makes the system appear stupid to most fans and gives the impression that the deciplinary panel do not know what they are doing.
The system needs a radical rewrite, this is very clear, I'll leave it at that.'"
Spot on.
Overturning a decision because of a new angle is a joke. Equally the Radford appeal last week contained this piece of logic...
Quote: Birkbygiant "Thepanel feel that the banishment from that game was the equivalent of a one match suspension therefore the panel feel that the appropriate sanction in this case is a fine of £300 which must be paid before the weekends game. '"
Eh, no that's equivalent to...well...being sent off.
IMHO The NRL system would seem a good stating point.
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41106.jpg You come at the king - You better not miss.
It ain't what you takin', it's who you takin' from, ya feel me? How you expect to run with the wolves come night when you spend all day sparring with the puppies?:41106.jpg |
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo " in this case 3 people on the disciplinary panel, three on the appeals panel. They draw up rota's in advance which rotate all the members around both panels, so that one person can never dominate or they can form cliques with each other, meaning varied and balanced opinions and judgements!'"
To be fair the scheduling a panel having 2 out of 3 members with strong links to a single club is far from perfect and should be fairly easy to avoid
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33791.jpg [b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable
...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo]
[quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish>
IA mode off. [/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg |
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| Quote: Birkbygiant "Spot on, whatever the current rules are they need a serious overall (BTW I'm saying Buderus decision is right, wrong or indifferent) far too many decisions are overturned.
The original decision needs to be the right one, and made very carefully looking at all the available evidence, the decision should stand unless there is a clear and undeniable breach of the rules made in making this decision.
Far too many decisions are being overturned, which makes the system appear stupid to most fans and gives the impression that the deciplinary panel do not know what they are doing.
The system needs a radical rewrite, this is very clear, I'll leave it at that.'"
Firstly, you admit you don't know what the current rules and guidelines are... always a good place to start eh!
Ok, lets make it less democratic then, no right of appeal, in fact bugger this panel idea, lets just have one bloke make every decision... he would always be right and his opinion would be the only that every counted and there would never be a difference of opinion because well... it is just his opinion and he is always right!
Cool idea!
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42170_1280565797.jpg Rule 1. I am always right.
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| If all these other fans are correct and the RFL really are biased towards us, all I can say is that's a very good thing! They seem to think we will be upset or will wind us up that the governing body supposedly favors us? If they are, keep it going RFL!
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