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| Quote: Seth "its been based on some energy conserving philosophy that we dont have the players for (im not sure any team would) thats why i think he has to go as hes clearly got a fundamental approach which is never going to work. Short kick offs were quickly binned as a bad idea and in patches other things have too, ie the occassional pressure on the kicker. Its all over the place.'"
Energy conservation? Be fit so you can play at high intensity for longer periods.
If Smith’s undying philosophy is purposefully playing at lower intensity to be fresher he needs to be sacked now, this second.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "I can 100% guarantee this time next year we’ll be saying exactly the same thing - “time to sit tight and start planning for next season”.
Just relentlessly writing seasons off and “planning for the next one”.'"
Have you flip flopped again? I seem to remember you singing Rohan’s praises the other week.
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| If you were to pick a coach from SL - Rowley would be the obvious choice. No way the players would get away with performances like those they are turning out for Smith.
Others I like Briers definitely with an assistant such as Lingard from Batley. NRL - Ryan Carr would be my choice.
Smith has much to prove - given its touch and go whether he will be a success I would want minimal input from him in respect of player recruitment
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| If we believe Craig Harrison then Rohan has had nothing to do with the recruitment up to now.
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| He probably doesn't have much to do with negotiations, but he'll definitely taking a lead role in player ID
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| Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "If you were to pick a coach from SL - Rowley would be the obvious choice. No way the players would get away with performances like those they are turning out for Smith.
Others I like Briers definitely with an assistant such as Lingard from Batley. NRL - Ryan Carr would be my choice.
Smith has much to prove - given its touch and go whether he will be a success I would want minimal input from him in respect of player recruitment'"
If they have no skin in the game for next season then it doesn't matter who the coach is if the player is that way incined and, due to injuries, almost guaranteed selection.
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| Short term it really feels like something has cracked, among supporters if nothing else, and Smith cannot just keep on doing what he's doing.
Personally, and I know I'll probably be shot down for it, but if I were him I'd tell both Hooley and Sinfield they're going to play the next 4 games unless they get injured or have utter mares (Hooley at KR style). Its quite simply time for a change, and picking players in proper positions. Giving these guys a game now and then leaving him out for the rest of the season, or maybe one more game just isn't going to help them develop, or show anyone if they are up to it. Myler can suck it up and sit on the bench for a few weeks, or alternate with Austin. we know what both of those can do, and more importantly what they can't.
I'd also tell Handley (if he's pushing for it) that the only way he'll play full back again is if there are injuries, and rejig the threequarters - get Martin out of there for starters and move Macdonald across if needs be. He can play centre, and we need more attacking threat than he can offer on the wing. Basically stop the 'best players regardless of position' stuff and try to get as close as we can to players in the positions they are currently best suited to.
The other thing he should do is just cut the nonsense out of the gameplan. Focus on position, possession and defence. Not passive defence, but aggressive, stop the yardage defence. Its RL 101. If some of our forwards aren't up to that then they shouldn't be in the team.
Not sure what else he can do otherwise. There's very little chance of a run like last year, this season is done. It all has to be about trying to get some decent performances out of the team for the rest of the year and ideally find out if some of these squad players are actually any good.
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| If there are seriously any players who are messing about because they are leaving, then just don't pick them. It would only weaken the team on paper, not in reality.
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| Quote: Once were Loiners "If there are seriously any players who are messing about because they are leaving, then just don't pick them. It would only weaken the team on paper, not in reality.'"
I don't know if this is the case, but the body language and effort would suggest something like it. I agree that they'd be no loss on the field however.
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| Quote: Vic Mackie "If we believe Craig Harrison then Rohan has had nothing to do with the recruitment up to now.'"
There is no way Lisone,Hooley or MacDonald would be at Leeds without Smith's input - he has coached all these players in the past.
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| Quote: Once were Loiners "Smith hasn't got his own team, especially in the spine, and until he gets that we won't know how good a coach he is.'"
So so sick of this. Here’s a tip, if someone’s a good coach, you’re aren’t left wondering. They’re able to polish a turd.
It’s not “we need to wait until it’s his own team”, its “look what he’s doing with these players, imagine what he’ll be able to do with his own ones”.
Smith isn’t the guy. We are crap under him because he’s not a very good coach.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "So so sick of this. Here’s a tip, if someone’s a good coach, you’re aren’t left wondering. They’re able to polish a turd.
It’s not “we need to wait until it’s his own team”, its “look what he’s doing with these players, imagine what he’ll be able to do with his own ones”.
Smith isn’t the guy. We are crap under him because he’s not a very good coach.'"
Wire were in the same position last season. What if they had taken the same line with Powell? I'm not saying things will work out in the same way, no-one could possibly know that. What if it does, though? But what is clear is that if we pull the trigger now, we are right back to where we started and still no guarantee of any improvement. Ultimately the powers that be need to decide.
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| Quote: YosemiteSam "Wire were in the same position last season. What if they had taken the same line with Powell? I'm not saying things will work out in the same way, no-one could possibly know that. What if it does, though? But what is clear is that if we pull the trigger now, we are right back to where we started and still no guarantee of any improvement. Ultimately the powers that be need to decide.'"
Trajectory. Chart a graph of the respective teams’ form under their coaches. Wire’s was basically a straight line of nothingness last season, upturn this season. Smith’s rose rapidly last season, but has dropped (and is droppING) rapidly this season despite having a pre-season and recruitment.
If Powell was as inexperienced as Smith, had a short-term upturn then preseason and proceeded to produce what they did last season I imagine wire would have gotten rid.
Also, powell’s team were just playing poorly, they weren’t using flawed tactics. Smiths ideology is flawed.
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| Quote: FlexWheeler "Trajectory. Chart a graph of the respective teams’ form under their coaches. Wire’s was basically a straight line of nothingness last season, upturn this season. Smith’s rose rapidly last season, but has dropped (and is droppING) rapidly this season despite having a pre-season and recruitment.
If Powell was as inexperienced as Smith, had a short-term upturn then preseason and proceeded to produce what they did last season I imagine wire would have gotten rid.
Also, powell’s team were just playing poorly, they weren’t using flawed tactics. Smiths ideology is flawed.'"
If progress in professional sport was always linear I'd fully agree, but it's not. RS is inexperienced at this level, that is true, but that doesn't negate a reasonable policy of giving him the mandate to clear the decks and recruit if the board some 12 months or so ago thought he was the right choice. Will it workout? No guarantees, of course, that goes without saying, but what's guaranteed is that calling time now means it definitely won't. The question for the decision makers is do they have faith in their choice of head coach or not? It's a question to which the answer has ramifications way past RS's future.
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| Quote: YosemiteSam "If progress in professional sport was always linear I'd fully agree, but it's not. RS is inexperienced at this level, that is true, but that doesn't negate a reasonable policy of giving him the mandate to clear the decks and recruit if the board some 12 months or so ago thought he was the right choice. Will it workout? No guarantees, of course, that goes without saying, but what's guaranteed is that calling time now means it definitely won't. The question for the decision makers is do they have faith in their choice of head coach or not? It's a question to which the answer has ramifications way past RS's future.'"
They apparently gave him 5 years. So think that answers that one…..
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