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| Quote: son of headingley "This bit is incorrect
It's not incorrect at all. Take two off us and we lead by one point. How much ball did Leigh have in our twenty in that last twenty minutes? You seriously believe they wouldn't have put over a drop goal, or worse still got a penalty? Those moaning about the two are deluded about the match, and like me also, would have moaned a lot after the match had we not took it and not won.
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| Quote: son of headingley "This bit is incorrect
Taking the 2 along with the DG meant they had to at least score 1 more try whereas just having the DG a penalty kick & they win & the way we were getting pinged it was bound to happen yet we'd already shown how rudderless we were in their 20m zone.
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| Quote: Gotcha "It's not incorrect at all. Take two off us and we lead by one point. How much ball did Leigh have in our twenty in that last twenty minutes? You seriously believe they wouldn't have put over a drop goal, or worse still got a penalty? Those moaning about the two are deluded about the match, and like me also, would have moaned a lot after the match had we not took it and not won.
Conveniently forgetting that we have a set of six starting less than 10m from the opposition's line, against 12 men.
As you are aware, all is speculation what would have happened after taking a tap. I happen to believe, already 1 point up against 12 men, there was not as much to gain from taking the 2 points, as keeping the pressure on, going for the jugular & killing the game off. Unless we throw an interception, chances are, even if we don't score a try, Leigh regain the ball within their 10m area.
We shall have to agree to differ, as I suspect both will not change our opinion & as it is all speculative, neither can "prove" their point.
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| If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.
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| Well if that's the case we might as well all give up ,because at that stage with a repeat set of six , Leigh down to 12 and field position vital going for 2 was nonsense
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| I think that what happened at saints last week had a massive influence on our going for the 2 points in this game.
I agree that until we are in a massive winning position in any game this season we should always go for 2 points if the kick is in a reasonable position.
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| Quote: batleyrhino "If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.'"
The caveat there is that the kick has to be under the posts or there's no point taking it.
Also, if we do run it and score a try out wide then it's likely only to be 4 points not 6, so you have to be sure of scoring the try more than 50% of the time for running it (from under the posts) to make sense.
Having a decent goalkicker is so important.
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| Quote: batleyrhino "If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.'"
Swinggg low sweeeet chariots..and all that
Joking apart, you make a good point and grinding out wins built on a solid defence in low scoring games does appear to be our best chance of winning games right now.
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| Quote: leeds owl "My four props from what is available short term would be, Garbutt, cuthbertson, Singleton and Ormondroyd. I liked the way Ormondroyd attacked with real pace and intent when he ran with the ball last night. It was only a little cameo (as it will only ever be while McDermott is coach), but I would give him another chance against Salford based on that. Garbutt seems to divide opinion, but he would be the player I would want carrying the ball out from our try line when we are under the pump. We really do struggle to make metres from our pack, and he is the only one that doesn't get smashed back when the game is at the highest tempo. Cuthbo did well last night, and I think he needs to be used more as a prop due to our deficiencies in that area. Singleton gets a place for me because we have such little quality there, but despite his wholehearted efforts I still don't think he's a prop.'"
I'd be happy with that. If the 4th prop there's no reason it shouldn't be Ormandroyd or Baldwinson imo as both still have development in them. Also really liked the way Ormandroyd carried the ball in.
Have to disagree on Singo. I think he's started the season really well.
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Judging by his performance in a team full of strangers in Championship Round 1, your best half back is currently on loan at Bradford for a month.
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| Quote: batleyrhino "If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.'"
I wouldn't disagree although with the amount of defending we seem to be doing, compounded by the difficulty we have making metres, giving the opposition a kick off deep into our half immediately puts us back under the cosh. Particularly when we squander possession like we did during last night's second half.
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| I thought we won. Definitely said we won on Breakfast this morning.
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| With regards the argument about taking the two, even if you say Leeds don't score if they go for a try, Leigh would still be starting the next set 98m away from the Leeds line......we took the kick and instead we have to come away from our own line after the kickoff and we didn't get that far away from it on that following set so the game takes on a complete different pattern with regards field position and there's no guarantee that Leigh grab that 3rd try to make it a one score game.
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| I take Gotcha's point that not taking the 2 would have left us vulnerable to losing the game by conceding a penalty.
Still a bit negative though. Against 12 men against a recently promoted team they should have backed themselves to get over for a try or get a repeat set (not that they seem to be interested in the latter these days...). I was a bit disconcerted that McGuire seemed to argue with John Wells at the touchscreen that dying in possession on the 6th was a good outcome vs the risk of gifting them a 7 tackle restart. That said, maybe we need to be safety-first until we've a few more wins under our belt.
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| I personally wouldn't have gone for it. Whilst we still have our struggles near the line we also did actually score two tries last night from close and they were a man down.
Also the field position afterwards if we didn't score would've been a big thing they way the 2nd was going. They got close to our line because they were starting sets near halfway, didn't fancy them to get past us if they had to go 90m.
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