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Quote: G1 "That's the thing David, you need a squad and there's a salary cap so you can't fill that squad with players of JPs quality and stature. You simply can't fit them all under the cap.

So clubs will have to take chances on the likes of Yates and Mullaley and hope they find a Chris Hill or an Alex Walmsley. They won't hit on them all but f they;re squad players rather than first choice then it's not a disaster if they don't pan out.'"


I agree if you have a shortage of youth coming through - that cannot be said of Leeds who have at least two quality younger props who could support - Singleton, Garbutt, Cuthbertson, JJB who will be a prop next year - Yates hasn't panned out so why compound an error with another in the hope it will turn out better?

Nobody was more critical of Kirke than you - why are you suddenly suggesting that players of that quality is what an elite club needs in its squad?

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Quote: ThePrinter "The Giants would rather have Smith now over Mullalley because they have him for the next four years potentially whereas Mullalley is heading off to their rivals in a few months.

No of course it doesn't always happen with departing players, but then again not all departing players are 4th choice prop kind of position and not every club is Wakefield who are as desperate to take the cash that was offered along with the swap. Would Catalans like to have Myler now given their injuries in the HB's? Yes probably but why would Warrington realise him now without their replacement lined up? Hudds could offer Wakey a short term replacement who was heading out of the door anyway soon.

We've got Garbutt earlier than planned because he couldn't get a game but doesn't mean he's rubbish. Wane hardly played Scott Taylor last year once he made clear he wanted to move to Hull. We got rid of Luke Burgess early when it was clear he was heading out the door. So whilst not often it does happen quite clearly. Trying to somehow judge Mullalley based on minutes/games played and that they've used him to bring in a new prop SINCE he announced he was leaving isn't any intelligent way to judge him or his future showings for Leeds. For all we know Anderson had big plans to play him throughout the year and sulked when he didn't re-sign. They once again ditched Lunt quite unnecessarily just like that mid-season.

We all know we aren't getting some world class prop that's going to be starting 13 every week, but nobody has ever pretended that that's what he is or going to be. He's an addition to the prop department who can hopefully show enough when he's here to be a consistant pick in the 17. Likewise Hudds aren't signing Smith because they see him ahead of Huby, Crabtree, Rapira, Kopczak.'"


Mullally was so wanted by the Giants that he spent the whole of 2014 on loan at Bradford - that says much about his place in the pecking order. It wouldn't suggest Anderson had big plans for him in 2015. Huddersfield are signing Smith because they see he has potential for improvement something they quite clearly don't see in Mullally.

There are issues between Lunt and Anderson there always has been.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Mullally was so wanted by the Giants that he spent the whole of 2014 on loan at Bradford - that says much about his place in the pecking order.'"


He played 6 games for Bradford at the start of the season before returning to Hudds and playing 12 games, including a few starts near the end of the year......what does that actually say? Liam Sutcliffe had a pretty similar 2014.

Quote: Sal Paradise "It wouldn't suggest Anderson had big plans for him in 2015. Huddersfield are signing Smith because they see he has potential for improvement something they quite clearly don't see in Mullally.'"


Or they needed a replacement for Mullally who Hudds admitted had been offered a new and improved deal a few months before he decided to join Leeds instead.

Quote: Sal Paradise "There are issues between Lunt and Anderson there always has been.'"


Is this the same Lunt that Anderson wanted and got back from his loan at Leeds and then had him start at hooker in nearly every match he was available for for the next two seasons? Yeah seems like he hated the guy.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree if you have a shortage of youth coming through - that cannot be said of Leeds who have at least two quality younger props who could support - Singleton, Garbutt, Cuthbertson, JJB who will be a prop next year - Yates hasn't panned out so why compound an error with another in the hope it will turn out better?

Nobody was more critical of Kirke than you - why are you suddenly suggesting that players of that quality is what an elite club needs in its squad?'"

In a sense we're in agreement somewhat. I'd like to see Mulhern and, perhaps, Baldwinson get a shot ahead of Yates.

Where we are also in agreement is with someone like Kirke. Whilst I have no issue with the club taking a punt on a squad player Kirke was a first choice 17 player week after week after week and it was very obvious for a long time what he did or didn't offer.

FYI, I believe that Yates has already shown he offers more than Kirke, not that it's a very high bar.

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With our first choice props next year being Cuthbertson, Garbutt , Singleton and I'd guess whoever performs best out of the rest will get the fourth spot.
If McDermott is wanting to use cuthbertson at LF then the addition of Mullally makes some sense.

Yates, Walters and mulhern haven't really impressed with the small minutes they have been given.maybe they will be farmed out on long loans with Mullally and baldwinson given chances early season.
If JJB is moved to LF that frees up cuthbertson at prop, if jjb goes to prop then we need less use out of those with less SL experience.

What are Mulallys stats like ?

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St George lost their 6th consecutive NRL match today and lots of moans about half-backs Marshall and Widdop. Some supporters even questioning whether Widdop would be there in 2016, the inference being that he would be playing for Leeds? It appears all is not well at St George's, they are blaming the halves and I wouldn't be surprised if they let one of the pair leave?

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Quote: rhino2009 "St George lost their 6th consecutive NRL match today and lots of moans about half-backs Marshall and Widdop. Some supporters even questioning whether Widdop would be there in 2016, the inference being that he would be playing for Leeds? It appears all is not well at St George's, they are blaming the halves and I wouldn't be surprised if they let one of the pair leave?'"

Marshall is a spent force and Widdop is like a lot of ex Melbourne players - take them out of the structure that Bellamy provides and they can't cut it. Adam Blair looked like a world beater at Melbourne now you wonder what all the hype was about.

Its easier to look good when coached by the best in the world and surrounded by 3 of the greatest players in the game. I cannot see the interest in Widdop - he looks distinctly average to me.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Marshall is a spent force and Widdop is like a lot of ex Melbourne players - take them out of the structure that Bellamy provides and they can't cut it. Adam Blair looked like a world beater at Melbourne now you wonder what all the hype was about.

Its easier to look good when coached by the best in the world and surrounded by 3 of the greatest players in the game. I cannot see the interest in Widdop - he looks distinctly average to me.'"



marshall is on a massive money deal at st george and cant see him moving here and widdop is just dipped in form, it happens neither will be in super league next year both would be snapped up over there. widdop loves the aussie lifestyle parents and close family all live there and is married to aussie. he did say 1 day he would like a crack at super league cant see for a few years

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Quote: Sal Paradise "... Adam Blair looked like a world beater at Melbourne now you wonder what all the hype was about.
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Don't be too quick to judge, this is from a review of last night's Broncos game:
"2. Wayne Bennett has got the best out of Adam Blair.
Blair is returning to the form of his Melbourne days after struggling throughout his time with today’s opponents the Wests Tigers. Master coach Bennett has a simple game plan and he has Blair performing a very simple role which is suiting the Kiwi international."

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Marshall is a spent force and Widdop is like a lot of ex Melbourne players - take them out of the structure that Bellamy provides and they can't cut it. Adam Blair looked like a world beater at Melbourne now you wonder what all the hype was about.

Its easier to look good when coached by the best in the world and surrounded by 3 of the greatest players in the game. I cannot see the interest in Widdop - he looks distinctly average to me.'"

Sorry, this post smacks of somebody offering opinion on a league they don't have enough knowledge about.

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Quote: sgtwilko "
Quote: sgtwilko "Marshall is a spent force and Widdop is like a lot of ex Melbourne players - take them out of the structure that Bellamy provides and they can't cut it. Adam Blair looked like a world beater at Melbourne now you wonder what all the hype was about.

Its easier to look good when coached by the best in the world and surrounded by 3 of the greatest players in the game. I cannot see the interest in Widdop - he looks distinctly average to me.'"

Sorry, this post smacks of somebody offering opinion on a league they don't have enough knowledge about.'"


I think you're being harsh there - there's a whole list of players who've looked like world beaters at Melbourne, gaining rep honours or huge deals elsewhere to ultimately turn out bang average. Without even thinking about it too much, some recent examples include;

Adam Blair (NZ) - Big money move but garbage at Wests, slightly less garbage at Broncos, though currently defending well.
Sika Manu (NZ) - Big money move and bang average at Penrith, lost his NZ spot
Dane Neilson (QLD) - QLD centre and big money move to Warriors, garbage at Warriors and lost his place, moved to Dragons and struggled to get a game before being sacked as soon as an opportunity arose.
Anthony Quinn (NSW) - Got a NSW Jersey despite being a poor mans David Williams

Then there are journeymen props that are as average/poor as they come, but look decent when asked to do a simply job like Brian Norrie, Ryan Tandy etc

I've said for a few years I don't see the hype with Widdop - he doesn't particularly excel at anything (he's got decent footwork, but not in the same realms as some of the NRLs finest), his basic skills are good, and he won't let anyone down, but he's certainly not 'marquee'.

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Maybe we won't be signing an NRL headliner as the Marque player could it be a player from within move him off the cap and give others a rise?

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A little bit of press over the weekend that St George are looking at a new halfback for next season. That's speculation from people in the know in the media from both hemispheres. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I've just heard a few interesting comments that IMO have more to them. Probably wishful thinking from me as unlike some I rate Widdop highly. I recon he would be a dream fit to replace Sir Kev.

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Quote: sgtwilko "A little bit of press over the weekend that St George are looking at a new halfback for next season. That's speculation from people in the know in the media from both hemispheres. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I've just heard a few interesting comments that IMO have more to them. Probably wishful thinking from me as unlike some I rate Widdop highly. I recon he would be a dream fit to replace Sir Kev.'"


I agree I think widdop would be a perfect fit for us. Not sure it will happen but would be happy if it did happen

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Quote: sgtwilko "A little bit of press over the weekend that St George are looking at a new halfback for next season. That's speculation from people in the know in the media from both hemispheres. I'm not saying it's gonna happen. I've just heard a few interesting comments that IMO have more to them. Probably wishful thinking from me as unlike some I rate Widdop highly. I recon he would be a dream fit to replace Sir Kev.'"

Just because you rate Widdop highly doesn't make it fact. You are entitled to your opinion my view is your opinion is cloudy by thinking Widdop is a the world beater he quite clearly isn't. One thing is for certain he is miles away from being a Johnson or Thurston - he is a poor man's Mitchell Pearce

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