TBF there are two / three that know all the financials and the coaching/ lack of coaching that the Rhinos are subject to. I'll send you an email should you require it.

So leeds spend well under the cap yet have been the most successful over the last decade and currently sit 2 points off the top? The question should be what are the other clubs getting so wrong?!

Well since last year we have lost Hardaker, Achurch and Segeyaro. 1 a man of steel, one a top level NRL player, 1 brought in on a long term contract when in demand as a young NRL player,

We have brought in Parcell, Ormondroyd and Aston.

Last season we went in to the season with enough space to add both Ferres and Segeyaro,

The year before we had enough to add Garbutt to a squad which also included Sinfield, Peacock and Leuluai.

For us to not have at least a decent sum left you would need to think that we were spending more this year than 2015.

From those simple comparisons you would have to assume either we have some space or someone is being massively overpaid.

We also know that we could give for instance Watkins plus someone else a pay rise and create some cap space, we also know that we will have £75k more next year when the SC goes up.

of course we are all guessing but i'd be astounded if we were not well under the cap

Unless Mr H come on the board and let's us know the exact figures......we're all just guessing.

Arguably Leeds' most expensive squad was that assembled for the eventually unsuccessful 2010 season. And IIRC even that one had enough space within it to add a returning Lee Smith mid-season.

IMO, to believe the current squad could be remotely close to the cap requires you also to believe the CEO to be suddenly excessively proflegate.

Well if Achurch was on a handsome wage then who knows. One thing we do know is that for the last several years we've been very good at keeping our squad together and not regularly losing guys to NRL or RU like Wigan for example so he must be doing something right to keep them, especially when most of them dislike the coach allegedly.

It could be our players are not in demand from other codes/competitions in the same way that Wigan's players are?

Gary likes us under the wig that's under the cap.

Our players are over coached.

Over coached in the Marine mentality at the expense of the skills

Hope that's a Thursday night so we get free travel.....

Yeah I suppose Hall, Watkins and Ward aren't a patch on Charnley, Sarginson and Mossop