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Quote: William Eve "Agreed.

Union has got it's @rse in gear since it became full time pro.

I wasn't convinced that club rugby in Union would take off but it has done.

The benefits of a thriving, touring international stage is a huge help of course, along with good management.

In comparison, RL has allowed its own much smaller international touring stage to become an afterthought and something that gets in the way.'"


Can you imagine league clubs releasing all their top players for 9 weekends during the season to play internationals?
GB could fit in a full tour of Australia if they did.

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Quote: William Eve "Agreed.

Union has got it's @rse in gear since it became full time pro.

I wasn't convinced that club rugby in Union would take off but it has done.

The benefits of a thriving, touring international stage is a huge help of course, along with good management.

In comparison, RL has allowed its own much smaller international touring stage to become an afterthought and something that gets in the way.'"


The international game in RL has always been very small by comparison. Like cricket the international game underpins the whole sport. The biggest team in RU is the All Blacks so its no wonder the clubs release their players for international duty

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Quote: DHM "Can you imagine league clubs releasing all their top players for 9 weekends during the season to play internationals?
GB could fit in a full tour of Australia if they did.'"

Not a chance of that happening in RL.

They won't even allow players to be released during the off-season as it'll get in the way of their pre-season schedule of public training runs.

Isn't there a British Lions Tour of NZ during the UK summer off-season of 2017?

Good luck to SL getting any media coverage while that Tour is taking place.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The international game in RL has always been very small by comparison. Like cricket the international game underpins the whole sport. The biggest team in RU is the All Blacks so its no wonder the clubs release their players for international duty'"

The club game in Union is now bigger than the club game in RL.

Go figure.

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International RU have had several competitive teams for many many decades and thus can have a proper international calendar. International RL only really has 3 top teams to market competitions on and that's something that pre-dates SL. Lions tours in RU only take place every 4 years, Ashes in cricket every 2 years (give or take 6 months depending on the hosts summer). You just can't expect to get along with GB vs Australia in RL all the time with games in NZ thrown in.

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Quote: William Eve "

Isn't there a British Lions Tour of NZ during the UK summer off-season of 2017?

Good luck to SL getting any media coverage while that Tour is taking place.'"


Yes there is. The hype over selection has started already. And and it's going to be massive..,
www.nzlionsseries17.com/News/NewsArticle/27627
Quote: William Eve "

Isn't there a British Lions Tour of NZ during the UK summer off-season of 2017?

Good luck to SL getting any media coverage while that Tour is taking place.'"


Yes there is. The hype over selection has started already. And and it's going to be massive..,
www.nzlionsseries17.com/News/NewsArticle/27627


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Quote: ThePrinter "International RU have had several competitive teams for many many decades and thus can have a proper international calendar. International RL only really has 3 top teams to market competitions on and that's something that pre-dates SL. Lions tours in RU only take place every 4 years, Ashes in cricket every 2 years (give or take 6 months depending on the hosts summer). You just can't expect to get along with GB vs Australia in RL all the time with games in NZ thrown in.'"

But that's partly because they prioritised the international game over the domestic. While we were crowing over how good Wigan were compared to Bath, Union were investing time, money and effort in the international scene. A scene they'd already invested significantly in anyway. We never really have in RL.

We're slightly hamstrung by the nature of the game. It's easier to compete in Union. I believe the gap between England and Italy in Union is similar to that between England and France in League but you don't see the same kind of utter dominance in Union.

However, if we never start and lay the groundwork then we'll never grow. We have to realise the real growth isn't going to come from a few more people watching Leeds, Wigan or Hull. But from using the international game as a recruiting sergeant for the sport for players, supporters and sponsors. That's what Union does.

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Quote: Him "But that's partly because they prioritised the international game over the domestic. While we were crowing over how good Wigan were compared to Bath, Union were investing time, money and effort in the international scene. A scene they'd already invested significantly in anyway. We never really have in RL.

We're slightly hamstrung by the nature of the game. It's easier to compete in Union. I believe the gap between England and Italy in Union is similar to that between England and France in League but you don't see the same kind of utter dominance in Union.

However, if we never start and lay the groundwork then we'll never grow. We have to realise the real growth isn't going to come from a few more people watching Leeds, Wigan or Hull. But from using the international game as a recruiting sergeant for the sport for players, supporters and sponsors. That's what Union does.'"


The main infrastucture is via TV..Yet the RFL supports something that keeps the game alive, yet in the same breathe is killing it.There where other offers on the table that may not have been has financially beneficial,but a far wider coverage of the game would have become available,had other options been taken into proper consideration,rather than lets take the money and run.

RL is becoming stale,a drought of entertaiment,yes new blood may bounce the TV attendances.At the end of the day the real cause is being disguised.This isn't sport anymore, it's a TV series on Thursday nights.

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Quote: William Eve "Have you seen the prices of tickets for the Tests on that link?

Category A NZ$449

A bit cheaper than a friendly at Twickenham.

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Quote: atomic "The main infrastucture is via TV..Yet the RFL supports something that keeps the game alive, yet in the same breathe is killing it.There where other offers on the table that may not have been has financially beneficial,but a far wider coverage of the game would have become available,had other options been taken into proper consideration,rather than lets take the money and run.

RL is becoming stale,a drought of entertaiment,yes new blood may bounce the TV attendances.At the end of the day the real cause is being disguised.This isn't sport anymore, it's a TV series on Thursday nights.'"

I agree however I think that's a symptom rather than a cause.
The cause is that we, as a sport, simply aren't relevant to enough people. Even in the heartlands the sports profile is pretty low. Now partly that's due to a centralised national media but partly it's because we've largely ignored the groundwork, both at amateur and international level, we've needed to do for the last 25-30 years.

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Quote: Him "I agree however I think that's a symptom rather than a cause.
The cause is that we, as a sport, simply aren't relevant to enough people. Even in the heartlands the sports profile is pretty low. Now partly that's due to a centralised national media but partly it's because we've largely ignored the groundwork, both at amateur and international level, we've needed to do for the last 25-30 years.'"


Add to that we are in the heartland of professional soccer - the biggest club in world in slap bang in the middle of RL's catchment area. In RL's heartland you have 2 Liverpool clubs, 2 Manchester clubs, Leeds Utd, Hull City, Huddersfield Town, Bradford City who get 16-18k a game.

Tough to compete against the biggest sport in the world for working class athletes, the majority of RU players don't come from the same background. As RL in NZ how easy it is to compete for the best rugby athletes.

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Quote: Him "However, if we never start and lay the groundwork then we'll never grow. We have to realise the real growth isn't going to come from a few more people watching Leeds, Wigan or Hull. But from using the international game as a recruiting sergeant for the sport for players, supporters and sponsors. That's what Union does.'"


It's a big ask to enhance RL's international profile when it remains a million miles away from establishing a national one.

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Quote: Clearwing "It's a big ask to enhance RL's international profile when it remains a million miles away from establishing a national one.'"

But the international profile can drag the national one with it. It's not going to work the other way around. The only sport that's done that is football and we are nowhere close to the behemoth that football is.

People outside the heartlands really aren't bothered about seeing Wakefield play Salford. Most of them don't even know where those places are. They might take a passing interest in Wigan v Leeds or Wigan v Saints but not much more than that.

Put England v Australia or New Zealand (or a competitive France or Wales) on and they'll start paying attention.

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Quote: Him "But the international profile can drag the national one with it. It's not going to work the other way around. The only sport that's done that is football and we are nowhere close to the behemoth that football is.

People outside the heartlands really aren't bothered about seeing Wakefield play Salford. Most of them don't even know where those places are. They might take a passing interest in Wigan v Leeds or Wigan v Saints but not much more than that.

Put England v Australia or New Zealand (or a competitive France or Wales) on and they'll start paying attention.'"


They may well pay attention if England play Australia.....but then what? Can't just keep playing them and the Kiwis and even a lot of long term passionate RL fans shrug their shoulders at the prospect of games against the Welsh and French. And after those international games they'll still have to make do with Salford vs Wakefield or Widnes vs Castleford.

The main reason international RU and cricket do so well is because they have 8/9/10 truely competitive teams, not just 3, and thus can have a truely varied international calendar.

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