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Quote: Gotcha "Sorry but seen two posts now. Sutcliffe had a great game, and Burrow our best attacker.

What are people watching? They were both poor. Sutcliffe at least though won us the game, despite his overall performance.

Parcell was easily our best attacker, our only attacking threat.

As a whole we were awful, absolutely awful. That performance wouldn't have been excusable against a Wigan or Warrington, so why are some trying to justify it against an injury hit championship side.

All it did is highlight just how poor some of the players in our squad are. When this is mixed with poor tactics there is nowhere to hide for those players. Some players however did stand up and put massive efforts in, and as I said earlier Sutcliffe as poor as he is st stand off, won us that game. Without that it would have been a loss.'"


I agree Parcell played well on attack (and defence) and both he and Burrow achieved similar things on attack. Both had a try assist, both made a clean break, both made an offload, both made similar meters per carry, Burrow made one more tackle bust could have had a try when he backed up Hall if the pass had been better and he was off for most of the second half when we looked rudderless.

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Quote: Old Feller "Going for 2 did not cost us the game but had we not gone for it nobody has any idea how the game would have gone.
Sutcliffe's DG on the stroke of half-time was brilliant & his 40-20 kick took away any chance that Leigh had of winning the game.
For that he should be applauded.
What I constantly find irritating is when either of JJB or Ablett - who otherwise had excellent games - gives away stupid penalties through messing around at the PTB.
They just seem incapable of getting that out of their system.
Personally I thought we looked much better when McGuire came on, other than knocking on from a daft pass from JJB, (forced by their defence?) he had little chance in the second half due to our continual failure to hold on to the ball.
Finally,I fail to see how the ref didn't at least refer the Mitch Brown try to the video ref, looked like a clear case of obstruction to me.
At least we went home with 2 points.'"


I agree with most of your post but would point out JJB and Ablett gave away just one penalty each the same as Ward, Parcell, Cuthbertson and Walters and some of those were just as irritating. In the case of players like JJB who are usually first into the tackle they are then last up and they cop the penalty if the other tacklers are slow up. Also with refs allowing o their sides a long wrestle it has to be said some of our tacklers sometimes allow the opposition to PTB too quickly.

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Quote: Juan Cornetto "I agree with most of your post but would point out JJB and Ablett gave away just one penalty each the same as Ward, Parcell, Cuthbertson and Walters and some of those were just as irritating. In the case of players like JJB who are usually first into the tackle they are then last up and they cop the penalty if the other tacklers are slow up. Also with refs allowing o their sides a long wrestle it has to be said some of our tacklers sometimes allow the opposition to PTB too quickly.'"


My point is that Ablett & JJB are serial miscreants, the others may become the same in time but as the senior players I expect better. We know they do this & I suspect so do refs so they are looking for it.
That may be unfair but I suspect it goes on.

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I'd like to see us move away from the 'battering ram' type LF and have either Sutcliffe or Ward there as a ball playing loose. Cutherbertson has sort of been doing this but I think he should just play his natural game - carting it forward and looking for the offload. Sutcliffe at 13 would take the pressure off him in the game management side of things which he's inconsistent with at the minute and allow him to do what he does best which is poking his nose through with the ball and supporting half breaks. Our prop rotation can then be Cuth, Garbutt, Singo and JJB without having to have the extra one at loose.

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Quote: Old Feller "Going for 2 did not cost us the game but had we not gone for it nobody has any idea how the game would have gone.
Sutcliffe's DG on the stroke of half-time was brilliant & his 40-20 kick took away any chance that Leigh had of winning the game.
For that he should be applauded.
What I constantly find irritating is when either of JJB or Ablett - who otherwise had excellent games - gives away stupid penalties through messing around at the PTB.
They just seem incapable of getting that out of their system.
Personally I thought we looked much better when McGuire came on, other than knocking on from a daft pass from JJB, (forced by their defence?) he had little chance in the second half due to our continual failure to hold on to the ball.
Finally,I fail to see how the ref didn't at least refer the Mitch Brown try to the video ref, looked like a clear case of obstruction to me.
At least we went home with 2 points.'"

You are spot on regarding the brown try, I think the reason the ref did not go to the screen was our apparent acceptance of the try. If sinfield had been on the field, most definitely he would have asked for the decision to be verified.

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Quote: ploinerrhino "Going for 2 was wrong in every way !

We needed field position
They were down to 12 men
It did not put us a further score in front
Sent out the wrong message
Was totally against what we had done earlier'"


^^
This entirely.
I was shouting at the old fella (Rhinos supporter) in the crowd who had his 2 fingers up (in a nice way!) imploring them to go for goal, to "sit the f*** down"

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Quote: RHINO-MARK "Yet ultimately won us the game so not quite wrong in every way!'"


This bit is incorrect

Quote: RHINO-MARK "along with the DG'"


This bit is correct

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Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "Garbutt?

I'm hopeful Baldwinson and Ormandroyd can step up, but I agree they are going to have to do it sooner rather than later, especially with Galloway out.'"


My four props from what is available short term would be, Garbutt, cuthbertson, Singleton and Ormondroyd. I liked the way Ormondroyd attacked with real pace and intent when he ran with the ball last night. It was only a little cameo (as it will only ever be while McDermott is coach), but I would give him another chance against Salford based on that. Garbutt seems to divide opinion, but he would be the player I would want carrying the ball out from our try line when we are under the pump. We really do struggle to make metres from our pack, and he is the only one that doesn't get smashed back when the game is at the highest tempo. Cuthbo did well last night, and I think he needs to be used more as a prop due to our deficiencies in that area. Singleton gets a place for me because we have such little quality there, but despite his wholehearted efforts I still don't think he's a prop.

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Quote: son of headingley "This bit is incorrect

It's not incorrect at all. Take two off us and we lead by one point. How much ball did Leigh have in our twenty in that last twenty minutes? You seriously believe they wouldn't have put over a drop goal, or worse still got a penalty? Those moaning about the two are deluded about the match, and like me also, would have moaned a lot after the match had we not took it and not won.

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Quote: son of headingley "This bit is incorrect


Taking the 2 along with the DG meant they had to at least score 1 more try whereas just having the DG a penalty kick & they win & the way we were getting pinged it was bound to happen yet we'd already shown how rudderless we were in their 20m zone.

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Quote: Gotcha "It's not incorrect at all. Take two off us and we lead by one point. How much ball did Leigh have in our twenty in that last twenty minutes? You seriously believe they wouldn't have put over a drop goal, or worse still got a penalty? Those moaning about the two are deluded about the match, and like me also, would have moaned a lot after the match had we not took it and not won.

Conveniently forgetting that we have a set of six starting less than 10m from the opposition's line, against 12 men.

As you are aware, all is speculation what would have happened after taking a tap. I happen to believe, already 1 point up against 12 men, there was not as much to gain from taking the 2 points, as keeping the pressure on, going for the jugular & killing the game off. Unless we throw an interception, chances are, even if we don't score a try, Leigh regain the ball within their 10m area.

We shall have to agree to differ, as I suspect both will not change our opinion & as it is all speculative, neither can "prove" their point.

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If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.

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Well if that's the case we might as well all give up ,because at that stage with a repeat set of six , Leigh down to 12 and field position vital going for 2 was nonsense

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I think that what happened at saints last week had a massive influence on our going for the 2 points in this game.
I agree that until we are in a massive winning position in any game this season we should always go for 2 points if the kick is in a reasonable position.

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Quote: batleyrhino "If any team is looking capable of scoring with 6 tackles inside the opposition 20 it's a tough call to go for the 2. Leeds attack is so predictable and pedestrian that we should be going for the 2 every time at the moment.'"


The caveat there is that the kick has to be under the posts or there's no point taking it.

Also, if we do run it and score a try out wide then it's likely only to be 4 points not 6, so you have to be sure of scoring the try more than 50% of the time for running it (from under the posts) to make sense.

Having a decent goalkicker is so important.

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