What important games do Saints beat us in? 3 play-off semi finals - 3 Wire victories. Westwood/King got deserved bans

Must confess I usually enjoy watching Westwood play. Just not against us. Bit of a throwback, our Ben is.

Proper forward. his kind has slowly been rubbed out the game to the increasing need for good wholesome family friendly 'sport'. Any team and any fan would be lying if they said they wouldn't have had him in their pack.

Gives it & takes it. Love him.

Spoken like a true Cas lad

Don’t have a problem with a bit of biff, it’s the bending of limbs in the cannonball/ninja tackles etc that I don’t like.

Proper forward? Im sure Blake Green agrees he's a sh#&*ouse pure & simple.

You ever played the game? Ever had been tackled and had something said to you? been pinched or had a whisper in the ear? had your balls grabbed, head ruffled, been wound up? Or maybe seen the opposition doing something similar or something equally as sly to one of your team mates...

Not saying it's acceptable but it happens and people see red and tempers boil over and you think "I'm going to get you back for that, I'll shut you up" and you may notice the usual player whos on the end of a cheap shot is a half back. because that's what good half backs do. they're cocky, gobby and annoying.

If players are willing to give it the big'un they should expect to be dealt with. all the best forwards had/have a nasty streak. Westwood has took pleanty of cheapshots over the years and gets on with it and he'll go toe to toe with anyone. At least hes not been a Ryan Bailey in his career kicking off with backs then $h1i77ing if when faced by somone his own size.

It wasn't a good technique but I'm not sure it was meant to injure. I didn't realise it was illegal but can see why it should be. I don't have any problem with a ban; apart from a few paranoid Wolfs I haven't seen many objections to it.

What, like when he also took Sutty's head off? It was in the first minute, so he didn't have a chance to 'give' anything in order to deserve almost getting beheaded. Sh1thouse, pure and simple.

You really need to lay off the salt

No salt just facts. Proper forwards are Peacock Morley Graham Ellis Walmsley etc Westw@#k is nowhere near.

Get stuck in early doors and let 'em know you're there. It's Rugby League, not tiddlywinks.

TBF to Westwood he knows he's not going to be pulled early in a game so always gets his "freebie" in early doors, id go so far as saying its now so common place its as inevitable as a Sean O'loughlin head high tackle.

I agree with that. It's like Andy Farrell or Ellery Hanley putting in a high shot or holding down. They are more likely to get away with it & it would be a failing not to exploit it.