Not really.

Christ I thought our lot where a bit one eyed, you whinos really cant see how dangerous Seniors lash out was? He used a very large amount of force, far more than I've seen in a while in trying to get back to your feet & never in a month of Sundays do you kick that high in doing so!(it's all stomach muscles when you're on your back...lol)
It's codswallop that the RFL swallowed McClennans explanation, complete & utter nonsense, the fact is he still kicked out hard & high!

The RFL have really put their foot in it so to speak, they should admit they have made mistakes in the past & have done so again. They really need to think hard about the potential damage that metal studs can cause to the face/head when a forceful kick such as Seniors & others can do.
Certainly I've seen players been sent off for exactly that in the amateur game & rightly so, it also sends out completely the wrong signal to the young uns.

As has been mentioned already the risk factor of actual damage is very much higher with something like a kick out and is certainly a more deliberate act than a large majority of 'spear' tackles IMO

Do you have any actual evidence for this statement? Apparantly you think players go around deliberately trying to kick each other in the head.

Richard Mathers 5th citing in as many months stirring inferiority complex only apply with Leeds?

Why Fishy?

And in my opinion Ratboys attempt to make KCs knee-joint bend sideways was more dangerous than both. So what?

this has 'chris joynt's voluntary tackle' like potential

Recent events. Just as you said.



Apart from the fact that you've linked to the same disciplinary news twice there, you're conveniently missing the points that people have made.

1) Senior's kick-out is one of the worst ever seen
2) No-one's saying Mathers or Tomkins shouldn't have received bans too
3) Let's not forget Lee Smith and his stamping

The point is there was a response to grapple tackles, there was a response to chicken-wing tackles, and there should absolutely be a response to kicking out in the tackle. It should have already happened, but it hasn't. Now is the time.

Senior hasn't been banned, not much can be done about that, but if the one match ban is the maximum punishment, what exactly have you got to do to receive it? Kick a player five times in the face? Pretend it's a game of Roshambo?

It's PLAINLY obvious that a punishment of NFA to 1 match ban is TOTALLY inadequate. Especially when, as we have already discussed in depth, there is far more potential for injury than there is for many other illegal actions on the Rugby Field. Remember what Newton did to Long's face? Imagine the damage that could have been done with a proper kick to the face... still only a 1 match ban?

Compared to the other 3 incidents that had bans issued last week, Senior should have received a ban too.

How am I stirring, I am focusing on this incident because it was particularly bad & highlights what I & others think the system is wrong & why I think the RFL should swallow their pride & acknowledge the same. I came up with a perfectly good reasoned arguement & you spouted some links. Obviously didn't read what i put properly?
The mere fact it is a leeds player (or Senior for that matter) is completely irrelevant. It was a terrible incident & Tompkins was very very lucky to just get the cut.
Having played & dished out & recieved some tasty tackles etc I can clearly see that Senior DELIBERATELY KICKED OUT with venom, this was not an attempt to get to his feet by doing so. How can his action be interpreted as accidental? Opposing players in very close proximity(he'd just been tackled) he kicks his feet out with more than just a little bit of agression & very high indeed considering his body position, i cannot think in any situation how that is accidental?

I'd just like you to come up with a reasoned arguement FOR your case with regard to Senior rather than posting links with a repeat of what someone else said? I have already said I believe a large proportion of these non punishments be incorrect in any case.

Still the RFL will do nothing, Kieth has been lucky & life goes on. all the same it isn't good for the kids & trying to retain/introduce kids to the sport isn't been made any easier when incidents like this are not dealt with effectively to stop it from happening as far as is possible.

If Senior deserves a ban for this then so do the other 80% of players that do it. It was just unfortunate that on this occasion someone was injured. The next game you watch...have a count how many times a player kicks out. I'm not saying players should kick out, I think usually it is unnecessary and usually is just a way of trying to milk a penalty, but it happens in every game. Penalising for every time a player kicks out would slow a game down drastically.

You see what you like and you form your own opinion and you're entitled to it.

The actual FACTS of the matter are that the RFL found Senior guilty of "lashing out" and fined him £300 - mind, they have access to replays of the incident and interviews and statements from as many players coaches and managers as they care to choose, so maybe their response is more carefully considered ?