I think mac has run his course. done a brilliant job 90% of the time but a fresh voice and ideas are needed. won't happen though

No way I would have keinhorst on the wing he's an out and out centre, Briscoe will be with us next year and even if we do decide to move him on would should be signing a replacement not putting Keinhorst in there when he is more effective at centre.

Not sure our current senior players would be receptive. Appointing a new coach would only be a halfway measure IMO. I don't think the old guard are capable of adapting and changing any more. Same old mistakes and an inability to do anything other than work hard. We need substantial quantities of new blood on the playing side too.

yes. McGuire should go, burrow, I'm told, is a damn good coach so keep him. I'd have jjb doing the juniors, a bit of coaching but his influence as a guide to young players would be supurb

I agree that when the new coach does eventually come in, the old guard need to be or have been, fully swept aside for a clean slate and new ideas. Probably looking at roughly 3 seasons for that to happen.

You'll have a long hard season if that's the best 17 you'll have to put out.

Maybe, though there'll be sides that have longer and harder seasons by far. Hardly a ringing endorsement of SL's quality, is it?

Just be careful you don't clear the wrong ones out or they'll end up starring for Cas and coming back to haunt you.

Can't ever see that happening

In: Myler, Cahill

Out: McGuire, Burrow, JJB (retirement), Sutcliffe (Wigan), Handley, Walters.

Golding
Briscoe Watkins Keinhorst Hall
Moon Myler
Galloway Parcell Cuthbertson
Ablett Ward
Cahill

Garbutt Mullally Singleton Ferres

Delaney, Oledzki, Baldwinson, Ormondroyd, Lilley, Aston, Smith, JJR, Walker, Sutcliffe, Hallas, Holdroyd, ???

Sutcliffe is still contracted for next season according to Sutcliffe.

Where would Wigan play Sutcliffe?

We've got pretty ordinary halfbacks, and a really poor attacking structure full stop - Eden on his own has scored nearly as many tries as our entire 1-5 this year. That's not down to individuals out wide, its due to being clueless as a team about how to set up tries.

As for 'transition', that was what last year was supposed to be. This season is really where we should have been a year ago. As it is we've effectively lost a year. All we've seen is that our older players are not quite as dreadful as they looked last year, but its highly unlikely any of them will take us much further. A CC win this year would be nice, but would really cover up how ordinary we are.

player for player are leeds much worse than cas?
it's the coaching and tactical acumen that's the difference

Player for player we may look OK, but there's a staleness about everything, including a number of players. Our inability to get Hall over the line or get Watkins into space is just poor whatever the cause.