Young guns get England call!

Quote: Gotcha "I don't know what to say to you. You are completely missing the point, and come across as not understanding what goes on at other clubs, which I know from many of your posts can not be the case.

I have made this clear earlier. A Club does not set off on a pathway that would mean they have to loan out a player to a super league club at some point. But by the same token it should not stop them from making super league only because that path is blocked by an other player, if they are deemed good enough for Super League.

Players going out on Dual Registrations are players at that next stage of development that require another challenge, which is what you alluded to. These players though are not generally regarded as the players who are ready for Super League full stop.'"

and it is at this point i am saying we have an issue. McShane isnt ready to be a number 1 hooker at an SL club. He would be best served getting maybe 15-20 first grade games this season. But no club wants to take him on and give him that, and we have other players. This is where we, as a game, have a problem. Players who are too good for u20s/reserves but not good enough to force their way into SL squads (YET) dont have anywhere to go. The only option is to hope some other SL club has a dirth of talent in that position and cant get an import in so they will take him on loan.

Whilst in McShanes case it would be best for him to go to another SL club, it isnt always possible and there is nothing to help if that is the case. And clubs should be planning a pathway for there players that isnt u20s then SL, because the u20s wont always prepare them

Quote: Gotcha "This is the difference in the players I identified. McShane is ready for full time super league. At Leeds his advancement is blocked by having two quality players ahead of him. Leeds should have know that last year, when they knew the other two players still had this season left on their contracts. In the close season they should have done something about it.

They didn't but that does not stop them from loaning out in mid season if the opportunity arises. Already this season we have seen Ainscough and Penny pulled off dual registrations in order to be loaned to super league clubs. We now also see Bibb, Tuson, and Kirmond loaned to other super league clubs.'"

and no-one would be adverse to that happening, its not that i dont want to loan him out, Simply that it isnt a good thing that we dont have anywhere (bar SL) that McShane could spend this season without it being to the the detriment of his development. A high quality championship with plenty of dual reg players would do this. It would offer us a place for McShane to play to a high level that isnt dependant on another SL club taking him from us

Quote: Gotcha "
Not to mention the success that Saints and Wigan have had previously with Moore and Mossop. Now Saints also loan out Smith and Tyrer to Super League clubs, having done this last season also.

Why do you think they are loaned to super league clubs? it's because it is a far better option. If they can not get first team at your own club, then look at other options to ensure their development does not go backwards.

Everything you have argued is based on there not been an opportunity for Leeds to loan out McShane. You do not know that at all. Just as I can not say definately that an opportunity did arise. But I would say with confidence that should Leeds make McShane available clubs would come calling.'"

we have done it with BJB, and that will be very good for his development. Fantastic for us over the next few years. And you are right, we should have other options to ensure their continued development, but we need options that arent dependant on other clubs needing a player we can provide