Complete waste of space. Cannot believe how arrogant the man is

Are you saying we should bring back Mac?

Give Sir Kevin and Prince Lowes a chance

Hopefully people now starting to see the issue wasn't the coach!

Have Sinfield and Lowes been introduced to each other yet? Certainly didn’t look like it when the camera was facing their way!

Its clear that the most basic problem was lack of quality, but the squad we have was BM's creation, so as head coach he's at least partially responsible for that problem anyway. He was here for 8 years, there's no doubt at all he could have pushed for more recruits this season once it became clear we were awful.

It was alleged by some that the problem was that BM had lost the dressing room and a simple change of coach would solve the problem. Our performances especially in defense are now much worse than say against St Helens not long before Mac was sacked despite having now have more players to select from so this was obviously not the problem.

A lack of top class recruitment seems to me to be the main problem. Replacements of equal quality were needed for Sinfield, Mags, Burrow and Galloway. To expect to be able to muddle through was a serious management error especially when the serious injury crisis added to the problems. For this I hold GH to be responsible as he holds the purse strings and I do not recall any announcements that this role had been passed to BM.

For Hetherington to sack BM mid season was wrong IMO and was a failure to identify the real problems and smacked of panic and naivety. Sinfield was a great player and fine captain for Leeds but has no coaching or management experience so to expect him to avoid the middle rights and win the semi was unrealistic and has failed.

To now make serious recruitment money available for Sinfield is necessary but unfair on BM.

I also have concerns regarding the position of Director of Rugby as it diminishes the role of the coach. A top Aussie will want full control. So Sinfield should be a hands on head coach which is a gamble or we need a proven coach of quality.

We still need an organising 6 as Myler cannot do this on his own and play the new signing at centre. Big mistake to allow Warrington to beat us to the best 6 that became available.

Still not McD's fault whatsoever eh JC??

We do need better recruitment & GH needs to take a lot of responsability for that.
By the same token though Mc.D had plenty of say in who came stayed & who moved on its a myth to think GH 100% controls all that.
The Club as a whole got too complaicent imo & even if we'd brought Wayne Bennett in it'd take more than a month to polish the turd we're left with.
It was right Mc.D got sacked 4 or 5 1pt losses glossed over how 1 dimentional we were under him & how blinkered & predictable he & we had become.

I have never said that. If he was responsible for recruitment then it is his fault but as I have said I feel sure that Hetherington has been fully responsible for recruitment.

Sacking McD has shown that the problem was not with him but lies with the lack of leadership, quality and balance in the squad which I have constantly stated. I have wanted us to sign a class stand off since Sinfield left the team when it was clear to me, but not you, that Sutcliffe was nowhere near up to the job.

The change of coach and management has brought a further deterioration in our performances especially our defense. 3 bad losses, a draw and only one win against a terrible Widnes side shows it is not just about changing the coach. Myler has been a good signing as a replacement for Burrow but if we were not going to replace Maguire we should have kept him.

Sinfield selected Handley and Sutcliffe over Keinhorst for the semi-final which I think shows an error in judgement and I would have had Golding on the bench as Walker has a history of getting injured and he would also have been cover for Parcell.

Lolohea is a good running stand off but not a controlling one like Blake Austin who is the player we should have signed and rather shows Hetherington does not want to make serious funds available to top players.

I wish Kevin all the best but he is wasting his breath thinking that preaching about the past Leeds ethos will produce a turnaround as it only means something to the Golden Generation who have either left or are on the way out.

Apart from the money problems we had at the Bulls there are certain similarities. We lost good players and replaced them with mediocre players for 2 or 3 years on the bounce. You suddenly turn around and think to yourself the whole squad is now mediocre. This seems to be the case with yourselves. Don't let it go too far if you can help it.

I agree with this we missed out. Watched a lot of Austin at Canberra, fantastic player who is tailor made for SL. Warrington have got a real player there and imo he will have as big if not bigger impact than Barba has at Saints.

Is Austin an organiser? He seems and out and out runner to me. He's not in Barba's class, but he's a huge improvement on Tyrone Roberts.

Austin's not an organiser - he's a very powerful runner. That's why he gets dropped a fair amount (along with being at times a turnstyle in defence). I don't understand this idea of signing a 1/6 and then signing another and making him play centres. If you want a centre, sign one.


Just one aside, Galloway was never a proper replacement for Peacock or Leuluai - he was the dictionary definition of a plodder, who had become the butt of commentators jokes with regards to just how slow he was before he left the NRL.

As an outsider looking in he should have gone a season earlier. Last years GF win massively papered over the cracks of a poor season on the back of the previous years visit to the Middle 8s. Much as I would love Fax to win a GF you at Leeds have more money and higher expectations, his succession playing is now coming home to roost.

I've said for some time that 2017 hasn't helped us. The hubris around the club which allowed us to excuse 2016 due to any number of issues (floods, injuries, junket vs NZ etc etc) was summarised by the complete lack of recruitment for the following year - the club clearly believed everything would be right without any major changes.

That attitude was reinforced by the win last year, in a competition with only one decent team who imploded in the GF (an utterly low quality game).

As a result the club has overrated a number of players enormously. We still have a lot of the GF team at the club, but the reality is they're being exposed for having stayed on too long (our older forwards) or in some cases just not being as good as thought (quite a few are worryingly in that category).

I wouldn't trade the GF win last year, but GH, BM and co seriously took their eye off the ball following 2015, and last year has cost us a year or so more in terms of refereshing things.