So even the universally derived as poor Falloon was able to make a difference to our defence. I didn't realise he'd played in most of our early season wins. And also just before Hardaker went. Still I'm sure it was a coincidence.

Why would anyone be dissapointed we improved enough to avoid relegation? thank god we signed an hooker that made that happen. We were worse than Wakey last year, again before that hooker signing who is simply off a different planet to any one else in this side.

Didnt we concede 38 against Sts with Falloon in the side? Didnt we concede 28 to London with Segeyaro? Wasnt it JJB, a better defender than any of them, who started at 9 against Wigan and we conceded 40?

Who was hooker when we only concede 12 to warrington? Its almost like anyone could pick a result out and decide it representative of something, and anyone could invent an alternate reality where something different happened and pretend it backed them up.

Other than the fact we had already gained more points than Wakefield before Segeyaro arrived, as well as conceding fewer.

Thhough i agree, signing a great player was great for us.

I can't argue with that.

Yes we did concede 38 vs Saints and if I recall Falloon couldn't make it through the game with a back injury. You could we were tossing it off vs London given the opposition. As for the 12 vs Warrington, exactly one of the points being made, it's ok doing it week 1 when everyone is fresh,, once the weeks and games start adding up then it's a different story to keep doing weekly.

As for the one about JJB being a good defender, this is the problem with the whole "just get someone else to make those 30 tackles". You can't just throw any old body into that role and say do his tackles. Hookers might defend in the same part of the pitch as props but their defence is different. Your props give you your size and strength and collosion in defence, your hooker your pace, mobility, line speed, energy. How many props would make the tackle Houghton made to win the CC? How many hookers would make the kind of hit Leuluai put on Higham to dislodge the ball in the 2012 GF?

If you have 4 big forwards in the middle you'll get done for pace around the ruck, if you had 4 hookers in the middle you'd get done for size and strength. You need that more mobile quicker defender in that part of the pitch, you can't just have all slower big lumps.

A hooker and prop offer you different things in that middle defence, you need both like you try and say with balancing things out. You need size and strength, but you need mobility and speed too, so we can't just lump JJB or Delaney there and say "here do the hooker's tackles for me"

Yeas Sinfield was top tackler during the three peat but who was dummy half? Diskin, so you had McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield to share duties off of a Diskin PTB. Burrow at dummy half you'd just have McGuire and Sinfield to share duties of a Burrow PTB, so you have one less guy if Burrow is stuck at the PTB so an increased workload for the two remaining halves, one of whom you still expect to do 40 tackles.

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We named him at hooker, we all know he didn't jump into dummy half during the game though.

SegEyaro has made a huge difference to us and his play on attack has been key in the home wins v HKR and Salford. I was sat in Carnegie stand and saw him shout "wide" to moon when we were clearing out lines in first half. He threw a fine long pass, moon made one of his mazy run breaks to halfway and we scored a minute or so later. He scored the breakaway try and put a great ball to cuthbo at the end. He has thrown excellent line balls to Watkins in recent weeks on the opposition goal lines leading to tries. Now if we could get a half with a kicking game of the same quality and perhaps a young mobile forward things would look a lot better.

I do remember the pace, mobility and line speed, the sheer energy of Keiron Cunningham, or Mike Mcilorum, real speedsters those guys.

I certainly can't imagine Terry Newton could put in a big hit like Kylie Lueluai, Nor a player like Ian Kirke chasing back and making a tackle. If you told me that a bit lump like Gordon Tallis were to catch and tackle a speedster like Brett Hodgson i would be shocked, shocked i tell you

one thing we can be certain of is james graham can't do this If you have 4 big forwards in the middle you'll get done for pace around the ruck, if you had 4 hookers in the middle you'd get done for size and strength. You need that more mobile quicker defender in that part of the pitch, you can't just have all slower big lumps.'"

Why are only those players allowed to go to dummy half?
Surely not? Its surely crazy talk that the traditional duties of a hooker were shared between other members of the team? we must have been thrashed in that game?

Quote: SmokeyTA "I do remember the pace, mobility and line speed, the sheer energy of Keiron Cunningham, or Mike Mcilorum, real speedsters those guys. .'" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lwfxFjF1a8E Yep, Cunningham was a fantastically mobile 9 with real gas.

Quote: SmokeyTA "I do remember the pace, mobility and line speed, the sheer energy of Keiron Cunningham, or Mike Mcilorum, real speedsters those guys. .'" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lwfxFjF1a8E Yep, Cunningham was a fantastically mobile 9 with real gas.

Quote: DHM "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v No, you are wrong, big players can't cover tackle, and little players can't smash players off the field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBtXLe5X7A

Quote: DHM "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v No, you are wrong, big players can't cover tackle, and little players can't smash players off the field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTBtXLe5X7A

Did they? because Ali Lauitiiti made a shed load fewer tackles than Gareth Ellis did. So who has making those tackles?

There are no set positions for defence. This isnt the NFL.

THREAD DRIFT, THREAD DRIFT.

It's to be hoped you're back challenging for honors next year, if this is the result.

Is he staying or not?